Repeal The 8th Amendment (3 Viewers)

[chris d]

I didn't have to register, just entered my address and card details. They sent an email after asking if i want to subscribe to their updates.

Haven't been talking to anyone about the referendum apart from the wife and the band mates. Hasn't come up at tea break in work yet, and I ain't going to be the first.

 

[ernesto]

Got hassled by some arsehole (presumably from the No side), and. videoing me putting up Yes Posters around Glasnevin. Accused me of taking down No Posters as there were two No Posters cable-tied to the bottom of The lamppost. Pair of us Held our shite together pretty well. Gobshite

 

[billygannon]

WTF? It doesn't "bring down the percentage", it's a totally different measurement.

Sorry... you're right. It is a different measurement - but the measurement being used by the No campaign is misleading.

Dividing the total number of abortions by the total number of births (+ terminations) isn't an accurate way of determining the number of abortions as a percentage of the total number of pregnancies.
What these No campaign posters are implying is that the total number of births and terminations is equal to the total number of pregnancies. That's not actually correct. Miscarriages, particularly early miscarriages, aren't included in this "1 in 5" ratio.
The 8th amendment is insisting that a legal individual begins at conception. Using this definition we cannot possibly know how many conceived individuals there are at any given time. It's estimated that about half of all pregnancies end in miscarriages - with the majority of miscarriages happening within the menstrual cycle.
We also don't really have any solid figures on the number of pregnancies that end before 12 weeks. As we know many women don't realise they're pregnant until after 12 weeks.
10% of abortions in England happen after 10 weeks.

Therefore, using the No campaign's own definition of when a legal human individual begins, we don't have any definite denominator - so the total mid-year population of women 15-44 (or 49) is used. That percentage is much, much less than 20%.


But then... we should ask ourselves why is this "1 in 5" ratio controversial? When it comes down to it, the No side are implying women use abortions as a form of contraception. I trust that the women who decide to have abortions are doing it for very good, very sound reasons. Abortions aren't easy and are emotionally and physically difficult. It's never an easy choice, and the implication from the No side that women are flippant about this choice shows up the deep-rooted sexism which is at the centre of the 8th Amendment.

 

[egg_]

We already had this discussion Bill, skip back a few pages there.

That percentage is much, much less than 20%

Of course it is you loon! Abortions per woman per year *has* to be less than abortions per birth, unless every woman gets pregnant every year

 

[Unicron]

Got hassled by some arsehole (presumably from the No side), and. videoing me putting up Yes Posters around Glasnevin. Accused me of taking down No Posters as there were two No Posters cable-tied to the bottom of The lamppost. Pair of us Held our shite together pretty well. Gobshite

I went out putting putting up posters last weekend and when it's on the same lamposts as no ones (it's petty but I always made sure to put the yes ones higher) someone with me made sure to take a picture of the lamppost prior to show that we hadn't touched their ones.

 

[GARYXKNIFEDX]

You could always take them off after the photo!! Nudge, wink!!!!!!

 

[ann post]

Well this DDOS craic.

It's fucking batshit crazy.

 

[Anthony]

Some rotated all the NO posters to be parallel with the road the other night. Genius. It made them invisible to traffic.

 

[Lili Marlene]

Well this DDOS craic.

It's fucking batshit crazy.

d'ye think?

Could be just lads mucking about, hoping to cause hassle. I mean, it's probably the no side or some bored christian in america but i'm surprised this hasn't already happened.

Can you still just buy a DDOS attack easy enough?

 

[rettucs]

d'ye think?

Could be just lads mucking about, hoping to cause hassle. I mean, it's probably the no side or some bored christian in america but i'm surprised this hasn't already happened.

Can you still just buy a DDOS attack easy enough?

originated in Ireland.

but the source of these things can be spoofed.

Did no harm to their funding. 5.5k out from the 100k.

 

[Unicron]

It's too coincidentally timed to be accidental.

Did anyone see the Channel 4 report on no side funding from last night?

 

[Lili Marlene]

It's too coincidentally timed to be accidental.

Did anyone see the Channel 4 report on no side funding from last night?

Oh i'm not saying it's accidental, but it's gonna lead to another John McGuirk interview I don't want to watch.

d'ye have a link there?

 

[Unicron]

Oh i'm not saying it's accidental, but it's gonna lead to another John McGuirk interview I don't want to watch.

d'ye have a link there?

Yup

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There's a bit in it that I found very funny where he changed from his Irish accent when talking to the brits or to the camera accent to what I assume is his actual accent when he interviewed the head of one of the pro-life groups.

 

[egg_]

Can you still just buy a DDOS attack easy enough?

Yep. Probably can specify where the botnet needs to operate from too

 

[Lili Marlene]

My favourite conspiracy-by-way-of-fact about all the Irish prolife groups is how they have family connections to European royalty which can be traced directly back to Charlemagne, i.e. The Holy Roman Empire.

 

[egg_]

Uurgh all these accusations about FOREIGNERS MEDDLING IN OUR POLITICAL PROCESS are all so World War 1-ish

 

[ann post]

d'ye think?

Could be just lads mucking about, hoping to cause hassle. I mean, it's probably the no side or some bored christian in america but i'm surprised this hasn't already happened.

Can you still just buy a DDOS attack easy enough?

I really haven't checked about buying one.

 

[Lili Marlene]

I really haven't checked about buying one.

I was thinking about taking down Harbo's empire for the laugh, if you want in.

 

[Unicron]

I was thinking about taking down Harbo's empire for the laugh, if you want in.

I'm in for a tenner.

 

[GARYXKNIFEDX]

Two different junkmail flyers in the post box today from the no crowd.