General election 2020 (3 Viewers)

[Cormcolash]

Oh and we'll have the next 5 years listening to them say "It was for the stability of the country" ad nauseum

 

[nuke terrorist]

why are SF far more popular than the Trotskyist parties ?

 

[magicbastarder]

FFFG FTW FFS

 

[magicbastarder]

Spoiler: .....

i kinda know this person. It is so disappointing. the guy has a temper but i'd only ever seen it in the political sphere and i didn't know it had a physical side. Loads of comments saying everyone knew he had a violent temper. I didn't and i went to college with him for a year, i hadn't heard of loads of stuff. anyways literally yesterday I'd have said that he'd be worth a 4/5 on the ballot and here were are, me being wrong.

i really don't think he was cut out for a life in politics.

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Joe Loughnane, who is standing in the coming election for PBP in Galway, has put out a statement admitting that a recording of him saying that he had “sorted a lot of drugs for a lot of people in this city” was legitimate and that he had made that statement. He says that he only …

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[IFF]

FFG will do a deal with each other and get Greens/Labour to prop them up, guaranteed.

Probably have nearly 100 seats between ff and fg so wouldn't need greens or Labour as comfort support

 

[hydromancer]

Yeah eh I think Labour get loads of stick about that because their party leader at the time, who was Tanaiste and is an absolute horrible cunt, spent her entire tenure defending every single austerity measure they put in to the hilt. And guess what, she's still in the fucking party, and is one of the most absolute weapon cunts in Irish politics.

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[Lili Marlene]

why are SF far more popular than the Trotskyist parties ?

100 years of hating the Brits probably, that and way more candidates/lack of tantrum splits over obscure leftist ideological points

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

why are SF far more popular than the Trotskyist parties ?

Massive party name recognition
Peace process participation - track record in govt
State-wide party organisation and strong electoral machine
Larger candidate base, more recognisable candidates (councilors etc)
Mary Lou factor

 

[ann post]

100 years of hating the Brits probably, that and way more candidates/lack of tantrum splits over obscure leftist ideological points

fixed

 

[hydromancer]

Massive party name recognition
Peace process participation
State-wide party organisation and strong electoral machine
Larger candidate base, more recognisable candidates (councilors etc)
Mary Lou factor

Plus they haven't ever being a ruling party in government so have a clean slate from that perspective unlike FF and FG. I think also they are generally been seen as an alternative to a dominanting two party system also.

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

I think also they are generally been seen as an alternative to a dominanting two party system also.

For sure
They can be seen as a more useful/viable vote - where a PBP vote might feel like a protest vote in a lot of constituencies

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

Fwiw, I think every constituency has a Twitter feed, which should have the latest info

Looking great for my girl, Neasa

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[Unicron]

Not close to a full tally in Kildare north but Murphy SD and Cronin SF have had strong showings

 

[Lili Marlene]

Incredible piece in the Independent

So why didn't younger voters care about Sinn Fein crimes?

Many young people in Ireland seemed to think they were terribly radical and bold by voting for Sinn Fein at this election.

m.independent.ie

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

Not close to a full tally in Kildare north but Murphy SD and Cronin SF have had strong showings

I'm really hoping that SDs have enough name recognition to capture SF transfers

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Look at this SF vote managment

They targeted 60/40 and nailed it

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[Kermit McDermott]

I voted:

1. Catherine Murphy - social democrats
2. People before profit, can't remember the name
3 independent, can't remember the name
4 Green Party, can't remember the name
5 independent, can't remember the name
6 Emmet Stagg, Labour

 

[Cormcolash]

FUCK YOU DEPUTY STAGG!!

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

FUCK YOU DEPUTY STAGG!!

Most unparliamentary language there, Corm

 

[nuke terrorist]

Plus they haven't ever being a ruling party in government so have a clean slate from that perspective unlike FF and FG. I think also they are generally been seen as an alternative to a dominanting two party system also.

Massive party name recognition
Peace process participation - track record in govt
State-wide party organisation and strong electoral machine
Larger candidate base, more recognisable candidates (councilors etc)
Mary Lou factor

basically none of these things impress me.
SF have been in power in NI.
they continue to lie about their involvement in the NI civil war.

SF bullied their North Tipperary councillor Seamus Morris (Nenagh postman)
out of the party. Morris' transfers got Seamus Healy elected to the Dail last time.
prior to Morris SF had no profile here.

McDonald being the only woman leader is a big plus for SF but other than that
the best i could say is anyone would look good compared to Varadkar, Martin,
Howlin or Ryan who are all liabilities (especially latter trio).

and the nationalism nonsense is toxic for me.

Joe Higgins was the first Irish TD i ever had time for.
i think people are very apathetic and should should demand a lot more.
if it was up to me i'd have an anarchist leaning society.
but the hard left are still a far better option than SF.

i voted yesterday in order of who i thought the least bad to the worst
regardless of popularity. all 13 of 'em.
Lowry got #13, Mattie McGrath #12 etc.

anyway don't let this post derail the rest of the thread.
get back to whatever you were talking about....

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

anyway don't let this post derail the rest of the thread.
get back to whatever you were talking about....

That's all fair enough

I wasn't so much advocating for SF, as much as trying to divine their greater appeal in regard to the other left parties

Politics is messy as fuck