The Slane Girl Thread (2 Viewers)

[7 - No tomorrow]

makes it fairly clear that she made the first complaint to the gardaí on site before the shitstorm kicked off on the twitters.

Changes the whole perspective really.

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

Or alters it somewhat anyway.

 

[Diddles]

They weren't hurting anyone so I don't really see the fuss, maybe she just has that kink, group sex in public with multiple strangers, similar to people who get off on 'dogging'? None of anyone elses business.

Except they were making it everyone else's business by doing it at a concert, whether the rest of the concert goers wanted to see it or not. I've witnessed plenty of crazy stuff at gigs and festivals over the years but I would be absolutely fucking appalled if I saw anyone wantonly performing sex acts in full view of everyone. Someone should have had the good sense to have thrown a bucket of water over them and escorted them off the site.

 

[ssfr5]

"..Irish Times understands the girl’s complaint, made verbally to gardaí while in a distressed state at the venue, does not relate to the events depicted in any of the photographs or videos that subsequently emerged.."

Its a shite state of affairs, how is this womans complaint going to get a fair hearing after all the lambasting shes been getting?

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

"..Irish Times understands the girl’s complaint, made verbally to gardaí while in a distressed state at the venue, does not relate to the events depicted in any of the photographs or videos that subsequently emerged.."

Its a shite state of affairs, how is this womans complaint going to get a fair hearing after all the lambasting shes been getting?

She's been getting as much defending as any lambasting.

The difficulty will be in proving anything. It's a very messy situation.

 

[ssfr5]

Well if the complaint were something as horrendous as gang rape or a sexual encounter that developed into an assault after consent was withdrawn by the woman, the defense is going to say 'shes a slut yer honor'. This woman won't get justice due to a society thats says she was 'leading men on' by indulging her sexual appetites. Sex without consent is assault but with the 'slut' tagging going on people are going to overlook her withdrawal of consent.

 

[Jerry Twig]

I would be absolutely fucking appalled if I saw anyone wantonly performing sex acts in full view of everyone. .

That makes you a 'fucking prude' then apparently, at least according to Egg.

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

Well if the complaint were something as horrendous as gang rape or a sexual encounter that developed into an assault after consent was withdrawn by the woman, the defense is going to say 'shes a slut yer honor'. This woman won't get justice due to a society thats says she was 'leading men on' by indulging her sexual appetites. Sex without consent is assault but with the 'slut' tagging going on people are going to overlook her withdrawal of consent.

Well, it wasn't.
So we're okay on that score.

Also prior sexual history is inadmissible in sexual assault cases.

On Law & Order anyway.

 

[rettucs]

http://www.irishtimes.com/debate/letters/sickened-by-slane-video-reaction-1.1501351

bah, I think this letter gets it wrong. There'll always be mysogyny, but for me that wasn't the over-riding reaction at all.

 

[Lili Marlene]

http://www.irishtimes.com/debate/letters/sickened-by-slane-video-reaction-1.1501351

bah, I think this letter gets it wrong. There'll always be mysogyny, but for me that wasn't the over-riding reaction at all.

Outside of the relative soundness of thumped I've heard of some pretty bad "she deserved it, he's a legend" *high-five* reactions from people. People far too old to not know better as well.

and here I was going on with my high falutin' ideas about society and technology when some people still haven't left the starting line.

 

[pete]

http://www.irishtimes.com/debate/letters/sickened-by-slane-video-reaction-1.1501351

bah, I think this letter gets it wrong. There'll always be mysogyny, but for me that wasn't the over-riding reaction at all.

I think she's right. Initially at least it was all about LOOK AT WHAT SHE'S DOING.

 

[hermie]

Yes but its not for others to participate in taking photos and making a video. The people looking on didn't sign a non-disclosure agreement of course but you have to expect some kind of honor among festival-goers surely? Anyway, the acts themselves are fairly run of the mill stuff, its the culture thats titliated by them thats at fault here. What 17 year old woman hasn't given out a few blowies and what young man hasn't received them?

Quite a few I would wager.

Its the double standard of holding these four people to account for the simple act of having enjoyable sex when everyone is at it themselves, or at the very least would like to be. Theres definitely a large dollop of sour grapes in this situation, people simply narked to see youth expressing its sexuality, in your face, as nature intended.

Haha, oh dear. Maybe I did content myself with a bit of mooching under a jumper back in my Slane days but I assure you I'm not bitter about it. I don't know enough about what happened to say whether it was enjoyable to anyone, even the participants; exploitative, titillating, attention-seeking
or whatever. I dunno, it just all seems a tad sordid to me. Nothing more serious than that. I wonder do you really believe what you're saying there or just taking the opportunity to feel more right-on than everyone else. I suppose it would suit some people if we were all casually humping in the streets. I could do without it personally.

 

[pete]

This thread has generated tens of thousands of visits over the last few days from people looking for photos & videos of the incident, which is bumping up the Adsense ad revenues, which I'll be donating to the Rape Crisis Centre.

 

[ann post]

Great stuff pete.

 

[Jill Hives]

Great stuff pete.

Indeed.

 

[ssfr5]

http://www.irishtimes.com/debate/letters/sickened-by-slane-video-reaction-1.1501351

bah, I think this letter gets it wrong. There'll always be mysogyny, but for me that wasn't the over-riding reaction at all.

Letter says: "..I felt a mixture of horror, anger and deep sadness.."

My response to that is 'so what'? Feel those things all you want, it doesn't change anything. Other peoples capacity to feel or be offended (by anything) is not relevant here.

A better article was in the Indo the other day, it rightly points out that 'blame' is being applied very selectively:
http://www.independent.ie/blog/4-reasonsslanegirl-is-your-fault-29517590.html

 

[Lili Marlene]

Letter says: "..I felt a mixture of horror, anger and deep sadness.."

My response to that is 'so what'? Feel those things all you want, it doesn't change anything. Other peoples capacity to feel or be offended (by anything) is not relevant here.

Maybe if we all considered other peoples capacity to feel and be offended we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.

 

[egg_]

That makes you a 'fucking prude' then apparently, at least according to Egg.

Ah here

I didn't say "fucking prude". I said "fuck off, prudes"

Sorry for judging you

 

[ssfr5]

This thread has generated tens of thousands of visits over the last few days from people looking for photos & videos of the incident, which is bumping up the Adsense ad revenues, which I'll be donating to the Rape Crisis Centre.

Thats commendable and hopefully it will be a sizeable donation. I hope you can prevent any linking to the video, pictures, or these peoples identities.

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

Maybe if we all considered other peoples capacity to feel and be offended we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.

Ha ha

Good one