Ireland (4 Viewers)

[Deadmanposting]

She's selling lingerie photos on her website as part of her re-dress scheme.



Oh yeah.

 

[pete]

Miriam Lord: Glacial Varadkar gives scathing response to Harkin’s male migrants comments

Linking Ashling Murphy’s death with the need for a debate about migrants ‘really wrong, deputy … don’t bring our country down into that spiral’

www.irishtimes.com

 

[nuke terrorist]

Miriam Lord: Glacial Varadkar gives scathing response to Harkin’s male migrants comments

Linking Ashling Murphy’s death with the need for a debate about migrants ‘really wrong, deputy … don’t bring our country down into that spiral’

www.irishtimes.com

I can't believe this nonsense is still being spouted by TDs.

So I'll say this yet again:
There is undeniable evidence that when women are bullied, controlled, violently attacked, raped and murdered it is overwhelmingly by one group of men - their partners.
Look at the stats of female homocide in Ireland - the Ashling Murphy case was an anomaly.
Other men dangerous to women are those they know and trust including family members.

Fuck people spreading fear through bigory.

 

[Cornu Ammonis]

I can't believe this nonsense is still being spouted by TDs.

So I'll say this yet again:
There is undeniable evidence that when women are bullied, controlled, violently attacked, raped and murdered it is overwhelmingly by one group of men - their partners.
Look at the stats of female homocide in Ireland - the Ashling Murphy case was an anomaly.
Other men dangerous to women are those they know and trust including family members.

Fuck people spreading fear through bigory.

I had this argument in work recently. With my boss. And our new investor. Wasn’t having it.

 

[ernesto]

I had this argument in work recently. With my boss. And our new investor. Wasn’t having it.

Excellent.

If there really was a male problem, what about when there's a football match or any sporting event where crowds of males are present in a community?
It's such fucking horseshit

 

[magicbastarder]

i'm not sure what argument is being refuted there - that male migrants are a problem, or that men in public in general are a problem?

 

[Cornu Ammonis]

To be clear, I was taking issue with blaming migrants for violent crime. I maintain that the biggest driver of violence is the Y chromosome.

 

[Deadmanposting]

I can't believe this nonsense is still being spouted by TDs.

So I'll say this yet again:
There is undeniable evidence that when women are bullied, controlled, violently attacked, raped and murdered it is overwhelmingly by one group of men - their partners.
Look at the stats of female homocide in Ireland - the Ashling Murphy case was an anomaly.
Other men dangerous to women are those they know and trust including family members.

Fuck people spreading fear through bigory.

I think people know this.
But stuff like the Aisling Murphy case and that rape in Cork that was in the news yesterday and the stabbing in Dublin and other cases, they still scare people, women especially.

Waving it off as anomalies or statistically insignificant isn't really dealing with that fear.
Women out running hearing footsteps behind them, don't think "ah sure most femicide happens in the home, what have I to be worried about?"
Men are the problem. People should be allowed to raise concerns about men without being dismissed as bigots.
We have to talk to each other.
And that hasn't been happening, the government is just shoving these centres into anywhere they can find. If you do that to communities, you get pushback.
There's a certain amount of hard wing nutters who you are never gonna get sense out of, but most people are reasonable, and just want to be talked to.
The more we don't listen to them, the more the shitheads will.

Immigration is generally a great thing for a country, especially one that needs workers.
But it's not an unalloyed good; it brings problems too. Look at Sweden's murder rate.

This belief that we can keep adding large populations of immigrants to our cities and towns and discuss it with no one, and believe that some market forces of altruism will make everything work out happy days - well, it's not gonna happen.
Just believing that you're smarter or kinder or better informed than the people you disagree with isn't living in the real world.

The best way forward is to engage with each other, and not always seek the moral high ground over someone else.

The easiest way to win an argument is to say the other person is a racist, then you don't have to listen to them. There are other questions than whether something is racist or not.

Might have repeated teh same thought a few times there. Apols.

 

[Kermit McDermott]

I feel terrible about being a man now.

 

[pete]

I feel terrible about being a man now.

Only now…?

You monster.

 

[sleepy]

I think people know this.
But stuff like the Aisling Murphy case and that rape in Cork that was in the news yesterday and the stabbing in Dublin and other cases, they still scare people, women especially.

Waving it off as anomalies or statistically insignificant isn't really dealing with that fear.
Women out running hearing footsteps behind them, don't think "ah sure most femicide happens in the home, what have I to be worried about?"
Men are the problem. People should be allowed to raise concerns about men without being dismissed as bigots.
We have to talk to each other.
And that hasn't been happening, the government is just shoving these centres into anywhere they can find. If you do that to communities, you get pushback.
There's a certain amount of hard wing nutters who you are never gonna get sense out of, but most people are reasonable, and just want to be talked to.
The more we don't listen to them, the more the shitheads will.

Immigration is generally a great thing for a country, especially one that needs workers.
But it's not an unalloyed good; it brings problems too. Look at Sweden's murder rate.

This belief that we can keep adding large populations of immigrants to our cities and towns and discuss it with no one, and believe that some market forces of altruism will make everything work out happy days - well, it's not gonna happen.
Just believing that you're smarter or kinder or better informed than the people you disagree with isn't living in the real world.

The best way forward is to engage with each other, and not always seek the moral high ground over someone else.

The easiest way to win an argument is to say the other person is a racist, then you don't have to listen to them. There are other questions than whether something is racist or not.

Might have repeated teh same thought a few times there. Apols.

Apologies in advance, this is a long one.

One thing I remember from around the time of the Aisling Murphy case was the number of women that came out and said “I don’t feel safe on a daily basis.” Women actually started talking more about issues that affect them on a daily basis that a lot of men wouldn’t have thought was an issue. Even things like that most lads would take for granted, such as going for a pint or a coffee by yourself without getting harassed. I do remember that people started to talk more about these issues and maybe looking at what could be there.

Then it came to light that the murderer was Eastern European so instead of examining deeper issues with why women feel unsafe on a daily basis, people reverted to demonising immigrants and burning down buildings earmarked for homeless families.

It’s completely understandable that women are going to feel afraid. Especially when there is an information void there that’s being filled by stories of unvetted single military aged boogeymen on social media.

But at the same time, it’s hard not to get pissed off when you see that the main people propagating these stories have done nothing to address any other issue that women have raised in the aftermath of Aisling Murphy’s death. Or that one of the main mouthpieces for this movement is an alleged rapist. Or that the National Women’s Council of Ireland have actually come out and said that the toxic behaviour shown during the Dublin riots is exactly why women feel unsafe on a daily basis. Or the fact that people were screaming and roaring abuse at women and children down in Roscrea. When you see all that, it becomes really hard to believe that there is any genuine concern for women or that women are actually being served here at all.

You couple this with the fact that in the wake of the Dublin riots a number of gay and trans people I know were receiving messages saying “after we get rid of the foreigners, we’re coming for ye. Ireland should only be for normal people”. It gets even harder to believe that the people screaming outside refugee centres aren’t completely fucking toxic

 

[rettucs]

It’s completely understandable that women are going to feel afraid. Especially when there is an information void there that’s being filled by stories of unvetted single military aged boogeymen on social media.

well said. I'd even go so far as to say that these pricks are screaming so loud about a fucking made-up issue that they are doing it to deflect from their own sociopathic behaviour, including and mostly, against women.

 

[egg_]

Some v surprising stuff in here Overall Prevalence Sexual Violence Survey 2022 – Main Results - Central Statistics Office

The older you are the less likely you are to have experienced sexual violence. That exactly the opposite of what I expected.

 

[JohnnyRaz]

Some v surprising stuff in here Overall Prevalence Sexual Violence Survey 2022 – Main Results - Central Statistics Office

The older you are the less likely you are to have experienced sexual violence. That exactly the opposite of what I expected.

Is there an element of changing definitions of what might be considered sexual violence across generations?

I've read studies elsewhere about pron etc. conditioning younger men to consider a certain degree of sexual violence normal (but obviously at the same time huge conversations re consent etc happening.)

 

[egg_]

Is there an element of changing definitions of what might be considered sexual violence across generations?

Dunno, but maybe?

Sexual violence is any sexual act which takes place without freely given consent or where someone forces or manipulates someone else into unwanted sexual activity. These experiences may range from a teenager making their friend watch a pornographic video on their phone, to someone being persuaded to undress or pose in a sexually suggestive way for photographs ...

The first of those wasn't even possible until recently, and the second is made way more likely by the ubiquity of digital cameras

Perhaps the evolution of the meaning of "consent" is also part of it? When I was growing up it was "no means no", but now there's a lot more to it

 

[dudley]

I've entirely forgotten where I read it, but remember an article with a lot of evidence that porn has hugely increased levels of sexual violence, and not just aggressive groping/language etc, but something like the majority of young women have experience being choked or punched during sex, it's become normalised.

 

[egg_]

I often feel like the root of this kind of thing is our utter failure as a society to be open about sex. We have porn everywhere, but because nobody talks about this shit none of us have the faintest idea of what someone else (who's not a porn actor) is likely to enjoy. We struggle to even find the language to express what we are likely to enjoy.

 

[Kermit McDermott]

I think a lot of it is just cultural differences.
This is probably perfectly normal in other countries.

Serial flasher jailed after performing sexual act in front of woman in hospital as she recovered from surgery

A convicted serial flasher has been jailed for entering a patient’s room at University Hospital Limerick and masturbating in front of her while she was in a bed recovering from surgery.

www.independent.ie

 

[sleepy]

I think a lot of it is just cultural differences.
This is probably perfectly normal in other countries.

Serial flasher jailed after performing sexual act in front of woman in hospital as she recovered from surgery

A convicted serial flasher has been jailed for entering a patient’s room at University Hospital Limerick and masturbating in front of her while she was in a bed recovering from surgery.

www.independent.ie

I don’t think it is. At all.

 

[sleepy]

I've entirely forgotten where I read it, but remember an article with a lot of evidence that porn has hugely increased levels of sexual violence, and not just aggressive groping/language etc, but something like the majority of young women have experience being choked or punched during sex, it's become normalised.

Yeah, I think there’s been a few studies on this. There was a prime time debate about it a few months back.