Janer
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I liked that post too but because I am such a headcase I couldn't say incase I tinted itat last! a voice of reason...
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I liked that post too but because I am such a headcase I couldn't say incase I tinted itat last! a voice of reason...
Wow!Wow!
Does it reassure you to think that?
That might be true about divorce and contraception and such like but abortion is different. There is never going to be a time when there are not people like Janer who are deeply, deeply opposed it. And that opposition comes from all corners of society -not just the Legion of Mary. There is nothing backward or illogical about the view that a foutus is human and deserves protection. No mater how much some people here disagree with the belief.
If people here think all that is needed is time, meetings and pamhlets then they are crazy.
If people here think all that is needed is time, meetings and pamhlets then they are crazy.
So a future with sidewalk protests outside clinics, doctors houses being picketed and clinics being firebombed is preferable to you than the uncomfortable compromise we have now (which has taken 22 years to achieve) because you think the choice to be able to travel to the UK isn't choice enough?You entered this thread with the assertion that there is nothing worth campaigning for, but you've gone on to provide the best reason for campaigning. It's not a teleological inevitability. That's why political activism exists.
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In terms of changing opinions, this is already happening -
http://safeandlegal.blogspot.com/2007/06/73-favour-abortion-for-rape-and-abuse.html
So a future with sidewalk protests outside clinics, doctors houses being picketed and clinics being firebombed is preferable to you than the uncomfortable compromise we have now (which has taken 22 years to achieve) because you think the choice to be able to travel to the UK isn't choice enough?
You'd want to be very careful what you wish for on this issue.
I seem to remember you suggesting I was either "taking the piss or out of my depth" a few pages ago so to whine about being patronised when you weren't is a bit rich. Pal.don't patronise me pal,
2 grand is fuck all these days esp if the family club round, call me old fashioned but as David Norris said at the pro abortion protest last Saturday after some counselling 7 out of 8 young women he knew went on to have their babies.the "uncomfortable compromise" we have now is two thousand euro for an abortion, within 24 weeks of pregnancy (in effect, within 19 weeks of a postive test), with very little support services here. that effectively makes it abortion only for those who can afford it. that's worth campaigning.
You are going to have to pay regardless. If you are hoping for some kind of solution where you can get an abortion on the medical card or from the VHI then you are in fantasy land. It's going to cost roughly that much whether it's in the UK or here - in fact it would probably end up more expensive here than in UK.the "uncomfortable compromise" we have now is two thousand euro for an abortion, within 24 weeks of pregnancy (in effect, within 19 weeks of a postive test), with very little support services here. that effectively makes it abortion only for those who can afford it. that's worth campaigning.
I seem to remember you suggesting I was either "taking the piss or out of my depth" a few pages ago so to whine about being patronised when you weren't is a bit rich. Pal.
You are going to have to pay regardless. If you are hoping for some kind of solution where you can get an abortion on the medical card or from the VHI then you are in fantasy land. It's going to cost roughly that much whether it's in the UK or here - in fact it would probably end up more expensive here than in UK.
uncomfortable compromise
Ah for jaysis sake Buzzo. Can the guy not make an argument without having to first prove he cares about people? Let's assume he's a good guy, ok?Your lack of empathy for women in this situation is unnerving. Cold as ice.
It's hard to assume he's a good guy when he's comparing travelling to the UK to an abortion to having a weekend on the smoke in amsterdam.Ah for jaysis sake Buzzo. Can the guy not make an argument without having to first prove he cares about people? Let's assume he's a good guy, ok?
Ah for jaysis sake Buzzo. Can the guy not make an argument without having to first prove he cares about people? Let's assume he's a good guy, ok?
So a future with sidewalk protests outside clinics, doctors houses being picketed and clinics being firebombed is preferable to you than the uncomfortable compromise we have now (which has taken 22 years to achieve) because you think the choice to be able to travel to the UK isn't choice enough?
You'd want to be very careful what you wish for on this issue.
It's hard to assume he's a good guy when he's comparing travelling to the UK to an abortion to having a weekend on the smoke in amsterdam.
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