Saul Williams does a Nike Ad (1 Viewer)

[Vinnie]

Its a bit like if a member of Public Enemy got their own sleazy show on MTV. That sort of thing. If you could imagine that.

 

[snakybus]

ahem

is it because Saul Williams is more zeitgeist that the above stirred nary a flutter?

 

[oh shit]

well if you only like one of his songs, download it onto your ipod and don't worry about him selling out, you obviously aren't too fussed about what he's has to say.

Yeah see that's the problem, what with talk of the recession and all, there isn't many ads in the herald for black activist hip hop poets, but i am keeping an eye out. otherwise i enjoy what i do, but i'm fortunate I have a job that I enjoy and also pays on a regular basis.

radical activism doesn't pay, which is why you can't find job ads for it in the herald.

but if listening to saul williams while having a nice job is good enough for you, download it onto your ipod and don't worry about him selling out, you obviously aren't too fussed about what he has to say.

 

[oh shit]

ahem

is it because Saul Williams is more zeitgeist that the above stirred nary a flutter?

dylan took the hypocritic oath in 1965!
if only seeger had taken that axe to his head

just kidding - i love highway 61

 

[Vinnie]

In fairness, Dylan had already well-established his total sell-out bastard credentials by giving Starbucks an exclusive in the States on Modern Times

ahem

is it because Saul Williams is more zeitgeist that the above stirred nary a flutter?

 

[snakybus]

hmmph

 

[thisgreg]

I don't think a person compromises themselves by doing an ad, but if music is supposed to have some sort of power that's transcends bullshit and is a humanising force in the world, then you can't really use it to sell stuff and still expect to be considered one of the good guys. He let his artform be used as a jingle - it's not a hanging offence: it just makes him much less appealing to people like me. Not for ethical reasons - more because it's such a cheap thing to do.

Yeah i agree with you, but i try to resist being turn of an artist because their song has been used in an ad. Lately Nina Nastasia had a song used in a car ad, i was uneasy with it in a way, it's a beautiful song and i didn't want to hear over a car ad, but on the other had, you know yourself, these people aren't making millions on album sales so of course that have to find ways to make a living making records. I guess an ad takes a lot of pressure off and gives you more freedom.

Other thing is when I was younger I'd never heard dj shadow the until the guinness ad, djs wouldn't have been my thing when i was i teenager, but i went out and bought endtroducing as a result and loved it, i didn't buy guinness though.

okay i'll stop now.

 

[thisgreg]

radical activism doesn't pay, which is why you can't find job ads for it in the herald.

Well i think that's the point right there then isn't it, Radical Activism doesn't pay but still he has to live and in his line of work god knows where the next pay check is coming from? Maybe this will give him time to create something great or use the money for something worthwhile, maybe he'll blow it all on gold rings, but i'll reserve judgement until i see what he does next. He feels that he can reach a larger audience and affect greater change by doing this, maybe he can and if he does then he's really being active, rather than preaching to the coverted or standing around with your mates screaming anarchy and grumbling about how crap the government is.

 

[snakybus]

he could get a job in a shop, or selling dictionaries

lots of ways to make a living

 

[Vinnie]

He could go round from office to office tidying up messy folk's desks. There's a crisp 1 euro IOU waiting here for Saul if he's man enough to work for it.

 

[mickalphabet]

i always thought he was shit anyway

 

[killy kill]

money is rad

 

[oh shit]

Well i think that's the point right there then isn't it, Radical Activism doesn't pay but still he has to live and in his line of work god knows where the next pay check is coming from? Maybe this will give him time to create something great or use the money for something worthwhile, maybe he'll blow it all on gold rings, but i'll reserve judgement until i see what he does next. He feels that he can reach a larger audience and affect greater change by doing this, maybe he can and if he does then he's really being active, rather than preaching to the coverted or standing around with your mates screaming anarchy and grumbling about how crap the government is.

bourgeoisie, you have understood nothing!

 

[broken arm]

"the only minority is the bourgeoisie"

 

[thisgreg]

well i'm sure i'll get it figured out, in fact i'm going on amazon right now to buy a copy of no logo.

bourgeoisie?! your full of judgements and assumptions about people. Get down off your high horse.

 

[cephalopod]

Who really gives a shit? For real?

 

[stephenoblunt]

I'm sure there's a clever argument to back up his selling of the song, but I don't know what it is. Fuck the chap - poets are sorta gay anyway.

 

[oh shit]

well i'm sure i'll get it figured out, in fact i'm going on amazon right now to buy a copy of no logo.

bourgeoisie?! your full of judgements and assumptions about people. Get down off your high horse.

STOP TAKING ME SERIOUSLY

 

[thisgreg]

The tradition of the oppressed teaches us that the ‘state of emergency’ in which we live is not the exception but the rule. We must attain to a conception of history that is in keeping with this insight. Then we shall clearly realize that it is our task to bring about a real state of emergency, and this will improve our position in the struggle against Fascism.


I DID THAT A LONG TIME AGO

 

[oh shit]

calm down greg