petition for dail eireann regarding the closure of nightclubs (1 Viewer)

[Ex-User (250)]

Re: more then just nighclubs

our rights? sure I think people have the right to go out and have a good time. but if the government are trying to take away the "rights" of people who go out and drink 20 bottles of WKD, drop kebabs and vomit all over the street followed off by a nice dance on someones head more power to them.

ah here, dancin' is fun.

 

[spiritualtramp]

that English city yr thinking of is Nottingham as far as i can recall, its turned into one of the most troublesome areas in Britain for underage drinking and makes Dublin look quite pale in comparison.

I was reading about the problems in Nottingham - it is nearly all caused by a huge rise in "super" pubs that ram thousands of people into them, blare loud music so people drink rather than talk, provide hardly any seating as people drink more standing up and have loads of cheap alco-pops promotions.

I imagine a lot of the problems in Dublin can be blamed on similar pubs here.

 

[LMD64]

Re: more then just nighclubs

ah here, dancin' is fun.

but dancing on someone's head isn't.

especially if they've got a small head, it's hard to maintain a sure footing, and you feel such a fool when you fall off. no, i tell you, it's strictly ballroom for me from here on in.

 

[Pantone247]

First they ban smoking in pubs

Now they're going to try ban drinking in pubs

I'm not saying the smoking ban is a 'bad thing' per se, it has in the majority of cases made going out a nicer experience... but by allowing them to ban smoking utterly and completely in one clean sweep was, in my opinion, bending over and allowing the too shaft our civil rights away.

Don't be surprised when The Curfew comes in and you can't even go out to a pub at night to not drink or smoke...

 

[LMD64]

yep, watch out for The Curfew

 

[spiritualtramp]

but by allowing them to ban smoking utterly and completely in one clean sweep was, in my opinion, bending over and allowing the too shaft our civil rights away.

civil rights?

I'm sure if martin Luther king was around he would be happy to campaign against this gross injustice to humanity.

 

[Pantone247]

civil rights?

I'm sure if martin Luther king was around he would be happy to campaign against this gross injustice to humanity.

good come back, well done...

 

[LMD64]

uncivil rights, perhaps.

anyway, i for one am totally happy with the whole smoking ban. except for the fact that now to get into or out of a pub in ireland you have to run the gauntlet of the smokers congregating outside the door. all that gentle passive smoking that used to go on inside the pubs is now concentrated into a single burst of nicotine and tar outside the pubs*



*blackhearted ex-smoker with a grudge to bear

 

[broken arm]

Re: more then just nighclubs

our rights? sure I think people have the right to go out and have a good time. but if the government are trying to take away the "rights" of people who go out and drink 20 bottles of WKD, drop kebabs and vomit all over the street followed off by a nice dance on someones head more power to them.

the question stands whether or not the government is the one to tell people how to socialise (within socially acceptable parameters). If they were indeed to legislate against the drinking of WKD and the eating kebabs then logically they could legislate on what to wear or what music to listen to. and don't think that government and religious orders don't.

but the idea that the government have to legislate against the many for the actions of a few is a glaring example of poor governance (again with issues within socially acceptable parameters). and it is likely that this move will not deal with the 'anti-social' behaviour that just about everybody wants done away with. Granted it may make for more responsible pub and club owners but i don't see how something like this can be policed if the cops have enough trouble dealing with the simple things like policing the roads and catching criminals.

 

[Pantone247]

Re: more then just nighclubs

the question stands whether or not the government is the one to tell people how to socialise (within socially acceptable parameters). If they were indeed to legislate against the drinking of WKD and the eating kebabs then logically they could legislate on what to wear or what music to listen to. and don't think that government and religious orders don't.

Well put sir!

 

[spiritualtramp]

Re: more then just nighclubs

the question stands whether or not the government is the one to tell people how to socialise (within socially acceptable parameters). If they were indeed to legislate against the drinking of WKD and the eating kebabs then logically they could legislate on what to wear or what music to listen to. and don't think that government and religious orders don't.

ummm I wasn't saying the government should ban kebabs and WKD. they should give the police more power to close down known trouble spots.

but of course people will go elsewhere so essentially that won't solve the problem.

the main problem is a cultural thing. it is perfectly acceptable, nay braggable to get totally pissed drunk.

in countries like spain it just isn't acceptable to get drunk off your ass. yet booze is cheap and plentiful. I've been to carnivals in spain where loads of people were drinking on the street and I saw no trouble whatsoever. yet over here we have the hell that is paddys day where the A&E departments of hospitals are like something out of WW1.

 

[broken arm]

Re: more then just nighclubs

in countries like spain it just isn't acceptable to get drunk off your ass. yet booze is cheap and plentiful. I've been to carnivals in spain where loads of people were drinking on the street and I saw no trouble whatsoever. yet over here we have the hell that is paddys day where the A&E departments of hospitals are like something out of WW1.

Well this is part of my point. The spanish government do not shut down clubs early. Booze is cheap and plentiful and yet we don't see the same problems as we do here or at least to the same degree. So the idea that the government have to legislate and update legislation to change our patterns of socialising is a problem.

Granted the issue is complex but I look to everything from the way the coalition has structured the economy and the education system for that economy, the underfunding of the arts, the failure to make any sensible spatial strategy work (with the development of the commuter class, the fragmentation of communities etc) and many other things feeding into the problems related to alcohol consumption. And i would rather seeing a more holistic strategy for dealing with the wider social issues before always running to the taxation or punitive regulation method. everytime the government is faced with (or creates) a problem they decide to pull out a new tax regime or new legislation, yes it works sometime but not all the time.

I may be blowing this out of proportion slightly because if it is used to tackle problem bars and barmen that may be a good thing, but i don't see that operating coherently and constructivly or having a lasting impact on the roots of the problem(s)

but that's just me.

 

[guy of the tiger]

Re: more then just nighclubs

well now, If I could rep-point a thread for being a good thread I would do so.
This provided an interesting read for snottyGoods at home sick from work.
crossin fingers that this stupid law dont come in.

 

[pete]

fuck fuck fuck

spuded - i just fucked up your post by mistake.

sorry.


in 5 years i never did that before ever ever ever

shit

 

[moc]

fuck fuck fuck

spuded - i just fucked up your post by mistake.

sorry.


in 5 years i never did that before ever ever ever

shit

you've changed man

 

[pete]

it's the PAIN from my fucked up back

i can't concentrate

sigh

 

[moc]

so whats the story is this early closing thing going ahead???

 

[Thayl]

Gardai expected to oppose late licenses for Dublin clubs
10:19 Friday October 1st 2004

The Gardai are expected to lodge objections to the granting of late licenses for a number of theatres and nightclubs in Dublin later today.
Officers are expected to oppose the licenses in the courts for public order reasons.

The licenses allow some clubs to remain open up until 3.30am, but Gardai want this brought back to 1.30am in some cases in an effort to curb street violence and drunkenness.

The move has caused anger among clubbers, who have collected 7,000 signatures on an Internet petition opposing the garda plans.

Meanwhile, Progressive Democrats Senator Tom Morrisey has said that well-run nightclubs should be allowed to retain their late licenses.

Mr Morrisey said people were entitled to a degree of freedom to enjoy themselves and any move to force clubs to close early would lead to a growth in "underground" drinking that would create even greater headaches for the Gardai.

 

[moc]

The licenses allow some clubs to remain open up until 3.30am, but Gardai want this brought back to 1.30am in some cases in an effort to curb street violence and drunkenness.

dont think i'd be opposed to that... as long as its just the offending clubs that get stopped early

 

[kreature]

This is a total fuckin nonsense issue.
Yes the curfew is on the way, but it'll
have far more damning effects than
shutting down nightclubs.
It amazes me that people are willing
to go out of their way to keep drinking
into the night and yet they ignore the
real deterioration of civil rights.
Go look up S.I.S, the implications of
the E.U. Constitution, COINTELPRO, etc. etc..
The Police State is on its way.

If this does come about, maybe more people will come around
to the great idea that is squatting. Its about time
we start disobeying the law in an interesting manner-
they tell us we cant get a drink after half one, we dont
even go to the pubs, we build our own infinitely better
ones.