Marriage Equality Referendum (4 Viewers)

[jonah]

someones going to have to explain that PP ad to me.

 

[nooleen]

it's two IRA lads in love, hoping their day will come

i just hope the 'ra have a sense of humour

 

[Scientician 0.8]

Is there a slight macaronic pun there "our law" too or am I overthinking the ingenuity of the boffins over at Paddy Power?

 

[Unicron]

Fuck Paddy Power, pack of shitheads.

 

[Mormon Nailer]

Fuck this referendum!
One more fucking self congratulatory lecture on Facebook and I'm voting no.
This is tiresome.
The happy clappy change your facebook picture brigade
The tranny official mascot
The morons on the no side who seem incapable of composing a thought
The constant smugness
The argument that this is the most important thing ever ... but rest assured people who think it will change anything .. it won't

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

One more fucking self congratulatory lecture on Facebook

Too many people's maximum political engagement starts and finishes with having a moan on the internet.

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

That said, it's heart-warming to see that society is largely welcoming of accepting a change that would have seemed unimaginable 20 years ago.

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

I'm trying to find whatever I wrote after seeing the first US gay marriages in Cambridge, in 2004
It's pre-gmail though. Bugger.

 

[Mormon Nailer]

That said, it's heart-warming to see that society is largely welcoming of accepting a change that would have seemed unimaginable 20 years ago.

Yeah perhaps.

But people in general are stupid and Irish people are very stupid - when large quantities of them agree on one thing, or when one of these strange manias that frequently afflict the society get going (moving statues, property, equality referendum) - I get worried/suspicious.

Also.

Something about the whole process bugs me. There's something deeply dishonest about the argument on both sides. Scaremongering on one side and dismissiveness on the other. I'm sick of them all. And I'm particularly sick of the phrase "redefining marriage". It seems every debate devolves into a bullshit semantical argument about what this phrase "means".

 

[Lili Marlene]

What should people really be debating @Mormon Nailer?

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

But people in general are stupid and Irish people are very stupid - when large quantities of them agree on one thing, or when one of these strange manias that frequently afflict the society get going (moving statues, property, equality referendum) - I get worried/suspicious.

This is the right thing to do though. It's fixing a wrong.
So, if the stupidity of the masses is being channeled for a good cause, then there's no harm done.

You're going to get a lot of blather any time there's a referendum. It's part of the process.

 

[rettucs]

Yeah perhaps.

But people in general are stupid and Irish people are very stupid -

thats a statement that needs a lot of qualification and I'd certainly accept some arguments for it. But in general I would say Irish people are the complete opposite of stupid.

when large quantities of them agree on one thing, or when one of these strange manias that frequently afflict the society get going (moving statues, property, equality referendum) - I get worried/suspicious.

those are 3 terrible examples. How many people do you think were behind the 'moving statues' thing?

I'd accept that there was a lot of naievity (rather than stupidity) around the property bubble, but people were fed a line, were motivated by fear/panic, and what happened, happened.

As regards the equality referendum though, this is the brighter, more liberal (read; open-minded, fair) section of society coming to the fore, rather than the typical 'official-Ireland', catholic church driven nonsense that has dogged this country throughout its history.

this is Ireland's chance to shine - not by changing a law that should never have been there in the first place - but by standing against those who are responsible for the very worst and shameful acts and attitudes in Ireland.

 

[Scientician 0.8]

Property bubbles happen in other societies too.

 

[therealjohnny]

this is Ireland's chance to shine - not by changing a law that should never have been there in the first place - but by standing against those who are responsible for the very worst and shameful acts and attitudes in Ireland.

If this doesn't pass ....
I feel a bit ill at the very idea

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

If this doesn't pass ....
I feel a bit ill at the very idea

Is there anyone publishing polls on this?

 

[nooleen]

most recent red C poll says 72 % yes, 20 no, 8 undecided

 

[rettucs]

If this doesn't pass ....
I feel a bit ill at the very idea

I'm tempted to leave the country if it doesn't pass

I've never felt more strongly about something that doesn't directly affect my life. It affects my life, but not really.

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

I'm tempted to leave the country if it doesn't pass

You should leave because it's a corrupt shithole with chronically crap weather

 

[nooleen]

and move to boston

home of joe quimby and 6 months of blizzards

 

[rettucs]

You should leave because it's a corrupt shithole with chronically crap weather

only the second argument is valid there. Everywhere is a corrupt shithole.

Hard to argue though