Which may have been a mistake to not point out immediately.
I said it at 3.41pm yesterday three hours before I asked about the difference between necessary and unnecessary. Did you miss that post?
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Which may have been a mistake to not point out immediately.
Further, that same research tells us...
You then asked me what the criteria for an unnecessary journey was, and i gave you sourced information on what they are deeming necessary rather than try and speculate. If you read what they have deemed the necessary trips then you can see where they are drawing the lines and get a reasonable idea of how they depts are thinking on what is unnecessary.I was just curious on what the difference was and if someone had decided it.
Given that it's a ministers written question It's highly likely that he* would have consulted incoming legislation and policies to answer the question - which would be informed by the climate action plan annex. the question pre-dated it's publication... ...the work and school commutes are the next big target (i think all this starts around page 183 of the annex, nerds) which you can probably call the necessary.
you appear to be arguing over something you agree on.
is this necessary?
You then asked me what the criteria for an unnecessary journey was, and i gave you sourced information on what they are deeming necessary rather than try and speculate. If you read what they have deemed the necessary trips then you can see where they are drawing the lines and get a reasonable idea of how they depts are thinking on what is unnecessary.
you appear to be arguing over something you agree on.
is this necessary?
So it seems to me, and I may be wrong, but the subdivision (your word) between what is necessary and unnecessary is not clear yet but will be evidence based when it is presented and that's ok.
Yeah that's pretty much my prediction, and I don't think it'll be in any way a huge consideration. It was just there as part of wider answer on the why luas not free tomorrow morning question that Bríd Smith asked..
The CAP* document transport chapter (from page 183 onward) just doesn't really care about why people travel, but it cares over and over about school runs and getting out of cars, and getting cars out of towns and cities.
The read between the lines I get from this is that with whatever number crunching is done to date the yoker/random trips dont matter - they only matter as carbon increase in the subset of predictions where you make transport free and do no extra routes.
Anywhoo - here's how i'd see whats available at present and my logic.
The graphic from earlier in the thread. the bottom right hand corner - the last three cells under total abatement.
This table is them explaining how you are going to get close to a 50% carbon reduction in Irish transport.
They only care about daily trips and education (E to E) trips.
To me thats gotta be close to a visible sourced line drawn between the necessary and uneccesary.
*I should point out at this stage that the govt site admins have changed the document links a few times. And the Annex is now an annex and CAP doc is screengrabbed above.
FFPT implementation was followed by an increase in ridership from 3.8 million passengers in 2010 (the year before the FFPT was introduced) to 6.9 mil passengers in 2017. However, many trips are for only three stops which previously would have been made walking
spitballing here, but is there enough capacity on the trains currently to take the extra passenger load a park and ride development would create?
I want one from galway to letterk, open timetable depending on my mood.So any chance of trains in Donegal?
The one at oranmore went from unused to over capacity in a year. People queue online to get season tickets like it's Glastonbury. They approved cash for a passing loop this year and a car park upgrade. The numbers justified the expansion. It'll speed up the Dublin line too and probably end up like a dart type thing. It seems at present if they can prove demand the DOT will upgrade in tandem. So the answer is a bit no and a bit yes?spitballing here, but is there enough capacity on the trains currently to take the extra passenger load a park and ride development would create?
the line from inch island got made into part of the bird sanctuary, i've cycled it though it's not huge. some greenway work on inch island i think too. heading up towards fahan to buncrana i suspect it's actually just the road now. dont know about further north but i've been there lots and not seen any sign of it that i rememberi wonder what condition the train line is in inishowen; they're never going to reopen it as a train line, but could make a greenway?
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