You know you're getting old.... (4 Viewers)

I did indeed get married, last year, and had a bab in April, Avalon! Funny for news of it to reach thumped via my mam of all people hahaha!
Many, many congrats.

Have a read of the My Child Is Doing My Fucking Head In thread. I found it a source of great comfort.

Our 2 just turned 3 and it's a good laugh now. The first 18 months was just pure hard work and no sleep or TV.
 
Many, many congrats.

Have a read of the My Child Is Doing My Fucking Head In thread. I found it a source of great comfort.

Our 2 just turned 3 and it's a good laugh now. The first 18 months was just pure hard work and no sleep or TV.
Don't tell me that! She's 3 months old now and I was presuming when we hit six months it's easy as balls and I get my life back??? No?? At least I no longer stay up all night terrified she'll stop breathing anymore so small wins.

Jokes. I know, it's one challenge after the next but then just when I feel like I'm about to dunk my head in the toilet, she laughs and wins me over again. Damned manipulative babies!!!
 
When you think the golden age of music is in the past.

I fought this one for a long time.

That's one I really don't buy - and it has much more to do with our complex human relationship with music.

The simplest example is something like Nirvana - there are loads of people out there who consider that the last good musicreal music/get a buzz from listening to it.
What they really are doing is nostalgia - music's power to enter every part of the brain is the most visceral nostalgia trip you can take.
You aren't going to react like a teen to anything these days, you can't rediscover earth and all the cool things that surface at that age and the music from those years gives access to those euphorias.

The golden age of discovery passes, or at least we think it does - and the soundtrack to that is always going to stand head and shoulders above all the other stuff.

But it's not actually the quality of the music, it's more about the human.
 
Discovering BBC6 was a great thing for me with regards to this. Most of the presenters are older than me, but most of the music they play are by people young enough to be my kids. And they mix it up enough to keep it interesting. It's not like say BBC1 Xtra for example, which is too youthful for me.

Getting older doesn't mean your taste or thoughts on music should stagnate, which is what I imagined looking at my parents etc. If anything, if you set your mind to it, it's an endless journey of discovery.

I plan to be rapping and raving and moshing and crooning and air guitaring until I'm dead and in the cold cold ground.
 
That's one I really don't buy - and it has much more to do with our complex human relationship with music.

The simplest example is something like Nirvana - there are loads of people out there who consider that the last good musicreal music/get a buzz from listening to it.
What they really are doing is nostalgia - music's power to enter every part of the brain is the most visceral nostalgia trip you can take.
You aren't going to react like a teen to anything these days, you can't rediscover earth and all the cool things that surface at that age and the music from those years gives access to those euphorias.

The golden age of discovery passes, or at least we think it does - and the soundtrack to that is always going to stand head and shoulders above all the other stuff.

But it's not actually the quality of the music, it's more about the human.

nostaglia is all the early 90's has for me and not even much of that.

I liked NIRVANA. they had really good songs but I couldn't be bothered listening to them 30 years later.
really great gateway band though *
same with SONIC YOUTH, PIXIES, MBV, JESUS LIZARD etc.
I think popular rock music got worse after that w/ OASIS, GREEN DAY, KORN Brit pop and whatever
I gave up reading the music press in Sept 1993 because I bought a series of records on their recommendation that were crap like -
ROCKET FROM THE CRYPT - Circa Now
ROYAL TRUX - Cats and Dogs
RADIAL SPANGLE - can't remember the title it was so boring
and some other US indie rock stuff.

so I just thought the stuff Melody Maker, NME etc. were promoting was boring and lightweight.

Brit Pop wasn't even on the radar. the first small Oasis interview came in Dec 1993.
BLUR's second LP had sold poorly and they looked finished.
the fact the next big thing was far worse was coincidental.

What am I saying then ?
the early 90's was not a classic era for Independent music or alternative rock but that doesn't mean things didn't get worse and worse after.
I got rid of most of the records I bought in vein very quickly.
I can't imagine getting excited about NED'S ATOMIC DUSTBIN then or now.

* I probably heard of FLIPPER, WIPERS, VOID etc through NIRVANA
 
nostaglia is all the early 90's has for me and not even much of that.

I liked NIRVANA. they had really good songs but I couldn't be bothered listening to them 30 years later.
really great gateway band though *
same with SONIC YOUTH, PIXIES, MBV, JESUS LIZARD etc.
I think popular rock music got worse after that w/ OASIS, GREEN DAY, KORN Brit pop and whatever
I gave up reading the music press in Sept 1993 because I bought a series of records on their recommendation that were crap like -
ROCKET FROM THE CRYPT - Circa Now
ROYAL TRUX - Cats and Dogs
RADIAL SPANGLE - can't remember the title it was so boring
and some other US indie rock stuff.

so I just thought the stuff Melody Maker, NME etc. were promoting was boring and lightweight.

Brit Pop wasn't even on the radar. the first small Oasis interview came in Dec 1993.
BLUR's second LP had sold poorly and they looked finished.
the fact the next big thing was far worse was coincidental.

What am I saying then ?
the early 90's was not a classic era for Independent music or alternative rock but that doesn't mean things didn't get worse and worse after.
I got rid of most of the records I bought in vein very quickly.
I can't imagine getting excited about NED'S ATOMIC DUSTBIN then or now.

* I probably heard of FLIPPER, WIPERS, VOID etc through NIRVANA

I just picked nirvana as an example -
Like in the exact same way Kids listenining to grime artists and hip hop are going to view those records just as people close to my age view grunge era stuff, the quality or type of the music actually doesn't matter all that much.
 
I just picked nirvana as an example -
Like in the exact same way Kids listening to grime artists and hip hop are going to view those records just as people close to my age view grunge era stuff, the quality or type of the music actually doesn't matter all that much.

OK yeah.
I have ranted about the 90's being crap a fair few times here and took the opportunity to do it again!

when I go through the next things I was into after that - hardcore, grindcore, noisecore etc
I get more of the buzz you are talking about.
some stuff is still amazing but other things wouldn't have much affect on me if I first heard them now.

one thing I'm certain about is that there has been quite little progress in new music since the 80's.
things happened at a million miles per hour until the late 80's and seemed to really slow down after that when I became a teen.
sampling, DJing, extreme metal, rap, indie rock, punk, free improvised music, industrial, electronic noise,
techno etc etc are all traditional music now
 
nostaglia is all the early 90's has for me and not even much of that.

I liked NIRVANA. they had really good songs but I couldn't be bothered listening to them 30 years later.
really great gateway band though *
same with SONIC YOUTH, PIXIES, MBV, JESUS LIZARD etc.
I think popular rock music got worse after that w/ OASIS, GREEN DAY, KORN Brit pop and whatever
I gave up reading the music press in Sept 1993 because I bought a series of records on their recommendation that were crap like -
ROCKET FROM THE CRYPT - Circa Now
ROYAL TRUX - Cats and Dogs
RADIAL SPANGLE - can't remember the title it was so boring
and some other US indie rock stuff.

so I just thought the stuff Melody Maker, NME etc. were promoting was boring and lightweight.

Brit Pop wasn't even on the radar. the first small Oasis interview came in Dec 1993.
BLUR's second LP had sold poorly and they looked finished.
the fact the next big thing was far worse was coincidental.

What am I saying then ?
the early 90's was not a classic era for Independent music or alternative rock but that doesn't mean things didn't get worse and worse after.
I got rid of most of the records I bought in vein very quickly.
I can't imagine getting excited about NED'S ATOMIC DUSTBIN then or now.

* I probably heard of FLIPPER, WIPERS, VOID etc through NIRVANA
Ive just checked out some Royal Trux right now.. I remember hearing about them back in the day but never bothered with them. From what I can gather they are GREAT!

I actively seek out new music all the time. I love the old classics but I get bored with them and need freshness constantly . be it old thusfar obscure to me stuff or the latest and greatest ..well the latest and listenable is a start
 
I hear stuff I've never heard before every day.


But then, maybe I wasn't absorbing music at the rate you were when I was young.
 
I just picked nirvana as an example -
Like in the exact same way Kids listenining to grime artists and hip hop are going to view those records just as people close to my age view grunge era stuff, the quality or type of the music actually doesn't matter all that much.

Yep, agreed.

It's only the last 2 or 3 years I'm thinking this. Grunge, Brit pop, trip hop, most of the permutations of rock, indie, metal ect....loved loads of that, still do.Nu metal....not so much. A few Korn songs, the deftones. The garage rock revival, some good stuff. The post punk revival, futureheads that kind of thing, some good bands in there. Arctic monkeys, cool band. Love loads of the neo psychedelic & dreamy nu gaze bands from the last couple of years..... it's all basically revivals of one type or another. After that I hit a wall.
 
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I bought less than ten records in my life until I was 16, closer to 17 in 1992.
I became obsessed with music after that. I've spent more money on music than everything else put together.
except maybe food.
Ive just checked out some Royal Trux right now.. I remember hearing about them back in the day but never bothered with them. From what I can gather they are GREAT!

I actively seek out new music all the time. I love the old classics but I get bored with them and need freshness constantly . be it old thusfar obscure to me stuff or the latest and greatest ..well the latest and listenable is a start

ROYAL TRUX was Neil Haggerty from PUSSY GALORE and his girlfriend Jennifer Herrema who he didn't seem to trust to sing the songs on her own (she was on heroin and sounded like it) I find their twin vocals really annoying.
their LP Twin Infinitives from about 1990 is much noisier/heavy psych and has developed a big cult following over the years.

good story:
apparently when they signed to a major in the mid 90's they negotiated a huge advance in the region of a million dollars. they correctly thought their major LP would flop and were deliberately careful with money and were still living off it in the 2010's I read.

this is boring to me sounds like the Stones on smack to me.
this is the last song on the Cats and Dogs LP (1993) this line was great -
''Jimmy I thought you were dead.... How could I be dead he said when I'm standing right here''
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this was licenced by then new label Domino who specialised in releasing US stuff like Sebadoh in the UK
when they started.
 

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