The Russian invasion of Ukraine (1 Viewer)

[chris d]

Diplomacy Remains the Only Option in Ukraine | by Jeffrey D. Sachs - Project Syndicate

Jeffrey D. Sachs urges the US and Europe to seek a compromise based on Ukrainian neutrality in exchange for Russia's withdrawal.

www.project-syndicate.org

These NYC (or whatever) lads opinions are nice and all. But if you were a Ukrainian, and your country had been invaded, actually invaded, by Russia, country men and women killed by bombs. Would you give a fuck? Or would you want to murder some Russian soldiers and protect your country.

Not a dig at you at all egg and i hope/doubt you would feel that way.

But if your city has turned to rubble, opinion pieces from the West must mean very little.

As does this post.

 

[chris d]

That reads trite, and im no geopolitics expert. My main feeling is this is fucked.

 

[egg_]

Yeah I think it might be too late for all that now ... but really war isn't actually winnable for either side. They Russians can just keep lashing in more troops, and the Ukranians can keep fighting them. And then what? I suspect what's described in that article is the end game, it's just a question of how many years of war it'll take to get there

 

[magicbastarder]

there were claims early on that this would be costing russia 20bn a day (can't remember if it was euros or dollars, but the figure was fuzzy enough to not make a difference, i suspect). if that's true (and i'd be wary about that), it's cost them €300bn so far, in an economy with a GDP of 1.4tn; over 20% of their annual GDP.

but i would assume that a lot of that spend is money that is already allocated or spent; soldier's wages, materiel already purchased, etc.; i wonder what the true cost is?

at face value, it'd be the equivalent of ireland having spent €100bn, or about 5 times the HSE budget.

 

[Scientician 0.8]

I was surprised to read that Ireland (26 counties)'s GDP is only a little less than 1/3rd that of Russia.
5 million people versus what 144 million. It is a mind boggling tragedy that a country so huge and populace and stradling Eurasia is so poor.

Ukraine too has (or had) all the potential to be a massively prosperous country but it hasn't yet materialised.

 

[magicbastarder]

here's another hot take on how this will pan out:

I’ve studied all the possible trajectories of this war. None are good | Christopher S Chivvis

There are two likely paths: continued escalation, potentially across the nuclear threshold, or a bitter peace imposed on a defeated Ukraine

www.theguardian.com

 

[magicbastarder]

I was surprised to read that Ireland (26 counties)'s GDP is only a little less than 1/3rd that of Russia.

looks a little more favourable for russia when you compare GNP (or GNI as the millennials call it)

 

[pete]

yeah take yer apples and yer facebooks and your bullshit sandwiches out of that GDP figure

 

[pete]

How are the Russians fighting, I ask. "They fight like stupid animals," says Reaper. "They fight like it's 1941 - they have no manoeuvrability, they just come to the front and that's all. They have a lot of people, a lot of tanks, a lot of vehicles, but we are fighting for our land, and we are protecting our families. it doesn't matter how they fight because we fight like lions and they won't win."

In a bed nearby is eight-year-old Dmitry. His toes poke out from under the blanket and a hand, bruised and bloodied peeks out too. His face is scraped and scarred with hundreds of marks, his right eye is not quite closed. A few days ago, the doctors removed a bullet from under his skull and vertebrae.

Ukraine war: On the front line of the battle for Kharkiv

Quentin Sommerville and cameraman Darren Conway are with Ukrainian forces fighting to stop the Russian advance on the country's second city.

www.bbc.com

 

[pete]

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[pete]

Facebook will ‘temporarily’ allow Ukrainians to call for the death of Putin and Russian soldiers

Facebook is “temporarily” changing a rule that prohibits users from calling for violence in response to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

www.engadget.com

 

[hydromancer]

there were claims early on that this would be costing russia 20bn a day (can't remember if it was euros or dollars, but the figure was fuzzy enough to not make a difference, i suspect). if that's true (and i'd be wary about that), it's cost them €300bn so far, in an economy with a GDP of 1.4tn; over 20% of their annual GDP.

but i would assume that a lot of that spend is money that is already allocated or spent; soldier's wages, materiel already purchased, etc.; i wonder what the true cost is?

at face value, it'd be the equivalent of ireland having spent €100bn, or about 5 times the HSE budget.

I read somewhere that it's costing them 15bn a day however half of the Russian state finance is kept abroad and now inaccessible due to sanctions and of there domestic based capital half of that is a physical gold reserve.

Today Putin explained to the public that these sanctions were going to happen anyway and Larov stated Russia does not want any strategic dependence on the west. I read also that Russia plans to create its own tightly controlled state internet with the removal of fb and twitter being a precursor to that. It's almost as if it will try to become a completely closed society if that's even possible.

 

[flashback]

Putin keeps doubling down with his fuck ups.
Fuck it. Pile more bodies in to absorb the bullets.
Internet not looking favourable? Fuck the internet.
Trade relations with the rest of the world not so great? Fuck the rest of the world.
Stock market? Fuck iiiiiiiit.
I'm Putin, and I'm a genius. Everyone tells me that. Fire the generals, I know better.

He's going to try to destroy Ukraine, leave it shattered and fuck off. Russia is going to be fucked for a generation, they'll never back down with him in charge, and they'll get annihilated with sanctions. Because Putin's such a genius.

 

[pete]

this guys Russian street interviews channel made a fairly hard pivot a couple of weeks ago

https://www.youtube.com/c/1420channel/videos

 

[Cormcolash]

In fairness to her, her government are technically doing it in Asia.

Not according to UEFA!

 

[Cormcolash]

I was surprised to read that Ireland (26 counties)'s GDP is only a little less than 1/3rd that of Russia.
5 million people versus what 144 million. It is a mind boggling tragedy that a country so huge and populace and stradling Eurasia is so poor.

Ukraine too has (or had) all the potential to be a massively prosperous country but it hasn't yet materialised.

It's almost as if...

 

[Cormcolash]

Facebook will ‘temporarily’ allow Ukrainians to call for the death of Putin and Russian soldiers

Facebook is “temporarily” changing a rule that prohibits users from calling for violence in response to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

www.engadget.com

Haha incredible. Death of Trump, na can't do that, death of Putin, aye go for it there lads!

 

[Cormcolash]

Some absolute fucking cunt was on Prime Time there saying any Russian national in Ireland that 'has no connection to diplomacy' should 'absolutely be sent home'. What a fucking piece of shit.
My housemate and best mate is Russian, he's been in Ireland years and isn't able to get citizenship here yet cause he's been trapped a couple of times already by the bullshit 'reset your time' rules around it. He fuckin hates Putin, avoided the army by going to uni, and coaches teenagers in football for free.
It's cunts like your man saying that shit that should be sent straight to the sea.

 

[JohnnyRaz]

Yeah I think it might be too late for all that now ... but really war isn't actually winnable for either side. They Russians can just keep lashing in more troops, and the Ukranians can keep fighting them. And then what? I suspect what's described in that article is the end game, it's just a question of how many years of war it'll take to get there

I think this is the playbook the russian's are now following worryingly

First Chechen War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[therealjohnny]