The Russian invasion of Ukraine (11 Viewers)

[Cormcolash]

Me: A bunch of people are going to fight the Russians
You: They're supporting Nazis.

Out of interest, whats your opinion on the German's supplying arms to the volunteers for the 1916 Rising?

Well lemme see now *checks history* eh yeah the nazis didn't come about until the 1920s, so...
My point is not that they're 'supporting' nazis, it's that if a person goes to Ukraine to fight, then you're fighting beside and taking orders from nazis, because that's how Ukraine structured their army and there's no avoiding that.

 

[rettucs]

Well lemme see now *checks history* eh yeah the nazis didn't come about until the 1920s, so...
My point is not that they're 'supporting' nazis, it's that if a person goes to Ukraine to fight, then you're fighting beside and taking orders from nazis, because that's how Ukraine structured their army and there's no avoiding that.

so they shouldn't go and fight against Russia?

 

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[Cormcolash]

so they shouldn't go and fight against Russia?

Should they fight with nazis? Na

 

[egg_]

Just had a brief chat with a (very young, American) woman in work who had a little rant about how this was all the fault of men, and how her heart went out to dark-skinned refugees from Ukraine who'd surely be discriminated against

I couldn't even

 

[Unicron]

Just had a brief chat with a (very young, American) woman in work who had a little rant about how this was all the fault of men, and how her heart went out to dark-skinned refugees from Ukraine who'd surely be discriminated against

I couldn't even

Dark skinned refugees in Ukraine are being discriminated against. Poles won't let them cross the border and those queueing for trains on platforms are being told to not get on in favour of Ukrainian citizens, who are white. (I'm not discounting the possibility of there being black Ukrainian citizens but for the most part the people impacted by this are immigrants to Ukraine)

 

[egg_]

I was mostly getting depressed by the determination of a young American to reduce a war down to her favourite certainties, but wow yeah it'd never occurred to me that non-citizens of Ukraine wouldn't get their visa requirements waived, and how extra-complicated things would be for them

 

[Unicron]

I was mostly getting depressed by the determination of a young American to reduce a war down to her favourite certainties,

When you're a hammer every problem is a nail.

 

[magicbastarder]

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in the thread there's a link to an article which seems to have been accidentally published which was written before the invasion began, thus apparently laying out what russia had intended to achieve.

 

[magicbastarder]

and no, that's not *that* dee snyder.

 

[magicbastarder]

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[magicbastarder]

to be fair, two of the regimes he namechecked are no more, so clearly the strategy he outlines works.

 

[ann post]

He's outlining the strategy that actually ended up happening a few hours later, He stumbled on his words but the moves by shell and BP are really massively fucking putin up.

Usual thing of jumping on ER

 

[magicbastarder]

ah, you have to admit that any politician would have been jumped on for that repeated verbal stumble.

 

[ann post]

It's playing the man rather than the ball though - anywhoo even big oil agree

Shell to exit Russia after Ukraine invasion, joining BP

Shell will exit all its Russian operations, including a major liquefied natural gas plant, it said on Monday, becoming the latest major Western energy company to quit the oil-rich country following Moscow's invasion of Ukraine.

www.reuters.com

 

[magicbastarder]

'almost all' coal burned in ireland comes from russia.

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[hydromancer]

'almost all' coal burned in ireland comes from russia.

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He wrote "Last year Russian coal accounted for almost all of the coal burnt at Moneypoint" there is a difference between one power station and Ireland. I would actually have thought Colombia Is the main source of coal in Ireland myself.

 

[magicbastarder]

sorry yeah, i meant 'burnt for electricity generation'.

 

[Unicron]

He wrote "Last year Russian coal accounted for almost all of the coal burnt at Moneypoint" there is a difference between one power station and Ireland. I would actually have thought Colombia Is the main source of coal in Ireland myself.

The coal burned in my parents' gaff is polish.

 

[ann post]

The windfarms in Co Limerick are using Russian wind.

Moneypoint is sorta connected to aughinish alumina for the meantime - alumina is a super high energy form of mining. That place is mad, i cycled there a few years back and went to the 'nature reserve' and as close as I could get to the red bit. The scale of machines there is really off the scale for ireland. Didnt' really have the camera for it because you cant get anywhere near it but these things are in the probably some of the largest buildings in the country. I think those white things near the bottom of the legs might be shipping crates.