The idea of "selling out" (1 Viewer)

[flashback]

I wonder if Mitchum is related to Robert Mitchum.

Robert Mitchum would never sell out to Nobody.

Nobody never sold out to him either.

I heard you were named in honour of William of Orange.

 

[shitepipe]

let's take this argument to it's logical conclusion..

did you ever buy a can of coke?
you're a sellout.
did you ever eat mcdonalds food when you were pissed?
you're a sellout.
ever buy a pint of guinness?
you're a sellout.
ever use any money you had to support a major corporation? some examples off the top of my head..

going to the cinema.
going on an aeroplane.
using an internet service provider.
shopping in tesco.

sellout.

who do you work for/ support?
do you have a computer? did you buy it?
do you have a mobile phone?
sellout.

anyway, you get what i'm saying. every single one of us is a sellout in one way or the other.. that's what makes us humans and it's great..

long live the sellouts.

you're confusing being a buyout with being a sellout

 

[japeo]

This is an illogical conclusion. Buying things does not make one "human"; dry-humping soft furnishings, on the other hand, does.
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edit that so.. it's a part of what makes us humanoids

well EXSCOISE ME.

had to put up with a lot of idiot punks talking about this shit about ten years ago only to fuck off and get MAAAD sellout jobs..

the truth and beauty is somewhere in the middle of being a sellout and not being a sellout. your :heart: tells you if it's right or wrong and if you in it for the long haul sometimes you have to sellout a little bit here and there.

like when willy nelson had to do music for ads for doritos.

 

[Pedronimus]

John Densmore's take on the topic

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20020708/densmore


Tom Waits' take on John Densmore's take on the topic

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20021007/letter

 

[avernus]

John Densmore's take on the topic

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20020708/densmore

this is fantastic. what a surprise that Manzarek comes off like a schlong!

 

[avernus]

yeah, fuck that. they are 100% right. I don't blame bands starting out that take that offer, it probably seems like it's this or nothing - the idea that you'd decline and in a year your band gets dropped and you're working in tesco pushing trolleys is a difficult reality to face down with a steady eye. I honestly don't know what I would do in that scenario. I'd like to think I would be confident in my ability to be successful without the help of company x.

but it is bullshit when bands or artists that are already very successful, that have made money and have careers and big salaries take the big cheque for using their songs in an ad. I can safely say, that in that level of comfort.. I would decline. Unfortunately, though as someone already pointed out on this thread... that dilemma is unlikely to arise.

 

[flashback]

Exactly avernus.
If the option is being skint, it's a bit tough. While Tom Waits is right, he is also in a very comfortable place.

Tom Waits' take on John Densmore's take on the topic

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20021007/letter

 

[Pedronimus]

Exactly avernus.
If the option is being skint, it's a bit tough. While Tom Waits is right, he is also in a very comfortable place.

struggling band get offered loads of money for music in ad:
option 1: sell your soul for popularity
option 2: turn down cash, eventually return to soul destroying job.

either way the man gets your soul.

 

[avernus]

struggling band get offered loads of money for music in ad:
option 1: sell your soul for popularity
option 2: turn down cash, eventually return to soul destroying job.

either way the man gets your soul.

also, the ad may do jack all for your career. and you'll end up not playing music, broke and being mentioned in internet threads about 'sellout losers working Tesco' along with the likes of Babylon Zoo and Stiltzkin or whatever. hey, it's a tough world out there.

 

[Lord Damian]

struggling band get offered loads of money for music in ad:
option 1: sell your soul for popularity
option 2: turn down cash, eventually return to soul destroying job.

either way the man gets your soul.

no surprises there. life's a shit sandwich. eat it or starve.

 

[Flux]

Fujiya & Miyagi seem to be reaping the benefits of having a song in an ad (Jaguar cars). When I checked their myspace page a couple of months ago, there was tumbleweed blowing through it even though the album had gotten great reviews. I hope their sales are rocketing like the myspace figures.

http://www.myspace.com/fujiyaandmiyagi

 

[avernus]

life's a shit sandwich. eat it or starve.

I hope you made that up.

 

[Lord Damian]

I hope you made that up.

i don't think so, but let us both live in a world where we believe i did.

 

[flashback]

I hope you made that up.

There is usually a bit of sauce in there too. But, yeah, Canadians eh?

 

[RSJ]

Whatever about the conversation, there's some rappeh links in this thread.

 

[avernus]

i don't think so, but let us both live in a world where we believe i did.

let's.

but can I order Domino's in this world? I sure am hungry.

 

[Lord Damian]

let's.

but can I order Domino's in this world? I sure am hungry.

you may.

 

[hugh]

Most bands who sign deals end up with huge debts rather than a windfall.

Yeah, but they don't end up personally in debt. You just break up the band and go and do something else. No problem ....

 

[ernesto]

sellouts

 

[d.o.b]

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown in to the sea".

heh heh this was genius even if he was a man u man