Riot in O'Connell st. (1 Viewer)

[1000smurfs]

get to the point then,a target for.....?

type 'legitimate target' into google

 

[тхеодоре кацзынски]

stories about serbia,afghanistan and american legitimate targets in their war on terror......im failing to see the connection here so please spell it out.so i use the same phrase?

 

[1000smurfs]

You're almost there. But just to spell it out ...terrorist. And you can see
that you're in the good company of all those who use violence as tool
for their own ends , the bush administration, sharon, extremists...

 

[тхеодоре кацзынски]

i think theres a vast difference between dumping a shitload of explosives on some random 3rd world country and a bunch of pissed off youths letting off a little steam by attacking the symbols of why theyre so pissed off and some minor destruction of property,a little perspective is needed on yr side.
and as for using violence as a tool to their own ends,you tryna suggest people worldwide just sit back and allow themselves be beaten down?

 

[Dixer]

i think theres a vast difference between dumping a shitload of explosives on some random 3rd world country and a bunch of pissed off youths letting off a little steam by attacking the symbols of why theyre so pissed off and some minor destruction of property,a little perspective is needed on yr side.
and as for using violence as a tool to their own ends,you tryna suggest people worldwide just sit back and allow themselves be beaten down?

I think it says something that you can reduce this:

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to "a bunch of pissed off youths letting off a little steam".
Why act as an apologist for that?
Are you saying that what happened is acceptable?

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[1000smurfs]

i think theres a vast difference between dumping a shitload of explosives on some random 3rd world country and a bunch of pissed off youths letting off a little steam by attacking the symbols of why theyre so pissed off and some minor destruction of property,a little perspective is needed on yr side.
and as for using violence as a tool to their own ends,you tryna suggest people worldwide just sit back and allow themselves be beaten down?

The perspective problem is on your side dude. It's obvious violence sits more comfortably on your conciense than mine. I'd be more from the Ghandi school of anarchism.

In any case it seems that the rioting today was a hardcore element of
notherners aided and abetted by trouble makers from here. You and
Antrophe seem to have an axe to grind about a perceived 'class' bias
of people on thumped. I think it's mostly your own bias though,
When people say scumbags they dont necessarily imply they have a problem with working class people

 

[тхеодоре кацзынски]

I think it says something that you can reduce this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlNoEqO2mUY
to "a bunch of pissed off youths letting off a little steam".
Why act as an apologist for that?
Are you saying that what happened is acceptable?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgIlZgt4XV8

very jumpy video so i gave up but im guessing the basic message is a bunch of young fellas broke into a car....?so what?
im saying that you all seem to have a major problem with working class youth expressing their anger at the system,if this had been an anti capitalist shindig with the same result it would have been back slapping all round.

 

[Dixer]

i think theres a vast difference between dumping a shitload of explosives on some random 3rd world country and a bunch of pissed off youths letting off a little steam by attacking the symbols of why theyre so pissed off and some minor destruction of property,a little perspective is needed on yr side.
and as for using violence as a tool to their own ends,you tryna suggest people worldwide just sit back and allow themselves be beaten down?

And for what its worth I think the selection of stuff destroyed today is a lot more 'random' than the 'random 3rd world country' in the analogy which you chose to adopt?

 

[тхеодоре кацзынски]

When people say scumbags they dont necessarily imply they have a problem with working class people

and 90% of the rioters today were working class ergo calling them scumbags is implying a problem with them.

 

[Dixer]

very jumpy video so i gave up but im guessing the basic message is a bunch of young fellas broke into a car....?so what?
im saying that you all seem to have a major problem with working class youth expressing their anger at the system,if this had been an anti capitalist shindig with the same result it would have been back slapping all round.

Why are you conflating 'working class' with the scum that perpetrated todays violence? Yr the one making that connection. And yr way wrong to say: "if this had been an anti capitalist shindig with the same result it would have been back slapping all round". Thats patently ridiculous.

 

[тхеодоре кацзынски]

And for what its worth I think the selection of stuff destroyed today is a lot more 'random' than the 'random 3rd world country' in the analogy which you chose to adopt?

mercedes and bmw cars?foreign owned businesses,mcdonalds ulsterbank etc and all the while supermacs kept on serving food......not entirely random.

 

[1000smurfs]

and 90% of the rioters today were working class ergo calling them scumbags is implying a problem with them.

that would only be true if 90% of the working class were there today rioting.
i'd say the actual percentage was pretty low. Probably indistinguishable from zero

 

[Happy Noodle Boy]

Seriously reading back over this thread there a minute ago - it is frightening the levels of prejudice some of you lot have about working class youth.

I have nothing against working class youth. I do have a major problem with the idiots that effected today's events. That's all I'm trying to get across here. Obviously everyone has a right to protest but, for Christ's sake, do it in a responsible way. Are you saying that you don't think today's goings on were in any way motivated by bigotry and naked aggression? Just political conscience? I have trouble believing that.

 

[тхеодоре кацзынски]

Why are you conflating 'working class' with the scum that perpetrated todays violence? Yr the one making that connection. And yr way wrong to say: "if this had been an anti capitalist shindig with the same result it would have been back slapping all round". Thats patently ridiculous.

conflating???
and of course there would be some dissident pacifist voices but my `anti capitalist back slapping` stands true.

 

[тхеодоре кацзынски]

that would only be true if 90% of the working class were there today rioting.
i'd say the actual percentage was pretty low. Probably indistinguishable from zero

not a republican at all but to show the logic of yr argument,what percentage of irish people as a whole took part in 1916 rising?probably indistinguishable from zero....

 

[Dixer]

conflating???
and of course there would be some dissident pacifist voices but my `anti capitalist back slapping` stands true.

To conflate: To bring together; meld or fuse.

And this: "mercedes and bmw cars?foreign owned businesses,mcdonalds ulsterbank etc and all the while supermacs kept on serving food......not entirely random." is actually just crazy talk.
No longer a conversation worth having.
All the best.

 

[тхеодоре кацзынски]

bigotry and naked aggression

unlike the friendly orange order marchers dressed up as an ira victims march,these guys are notorious for having their events overseen by combat18 and any other white supremacist movements local.stormfront ireland even threatened to come out in their support,you want these people marching yr streets?and as for the civil liberties argument;they are in a different country from their own....

 

[1000smurfs]

not a republican at all but to show the logic of yr argument,what percentage of irish people as a whole took part in 1916 rising?probably indistinguishable from zero....

Yes ! and does saying anything about those who took part
in the 1916 rising apply automatically to everyone else in ireland?

 

[тхеодоре кацзынски]

To conflate: To bring together; meld or fuse.

And this: "mercedes and bmw cars?foreign owned businesses,mcdonalds ulsterbank etc and all the while supermacs kept on serving food......not entirely random." is actually just crazy talk.
No longer a conversation worth having.
All the best.

well considering most of the `scum` taking part were working class its a pretty logical step that they would go together

and i fail to see the problem with my random statement either.....
sleep well

 

[тхеодоре кацзынски]

Yes ! and does saying anything about those who took part
in the 1916 rising apply automatically to everyone else in ireland?

sorry fighting an argument on 3 fronts has my brain fried,misread yr train of thought.....can we still be friends?