Has Dublin lost its edge? (3 Viewers)

[GO]

Also from the Irish Times:
A cultural wasteland? You’re wrong about the midlands

Hmm..The Midlands Arts and Culture Magazine?

They'll be getting a email off me tonight!!

Nice one Sleepy!

 

[Unicron]

In all my years living in (at times some fairly hairy) parts of dublin Ive never felt the air of menance you get at 1230 in a midlands town.

Genuinely hate the idea of going out in Newbridge, townies vs squadies

 

[Unicron]

Have also heard horrendous things about Carrick on Suir.

 

[sleepy]

The Job Centre bar's attempt to do gentrification ironically is an insult | Jane Elliott | Comment is free | theguardian.com

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Just read this article. So in a nutshell she's basically saying she's disgusted by the gentrification that she's an active part of and her problem with the pub in reality is that it's a reminder that she's complicit in the whole thing.

 

[washingcattle]

Stoneybatter seems to have gone pretty hipsterish what with the Lighthouse cinema and several byob venues in the area. Isn't that normally the first step towards gentrification?

Yes and no. The early days of gentrification aren't all bad, they aren't bad at all. Typically it's people with big ideas taking over abandoned properties and this spurs on others to take up residence there. I suppose that's probably termed urban renewal. And everyone is happy. It's when you find coffee houses bars etc moving in to the same neglected neighbourhood and pushing out butchers, barbers, fish mongers, bars and greasy spoons that have been in that neighbourhood for years and replacing them with bars and restaurants that don't have any interest in serving the long standing and typically working class residents in the neighbourhood then there's a problem and usually that problem starts around the same time that people start going there to "hang out" rather than work or live there.

The end point of all this seems to be a Starbucks opens on the corner where there used to be a corner shop run by some family for fucking 100 years and by then the transformation is complete.

When I was a kid I spent most of my weekends in and around my granny's flat on Pearse street and parts of Dublin were just wasteland. There's no doubting that first wave of development is a good thing. Just when it goes too far the other way it's really soul crushing for an area.

 

[sleepy]

Hmm..The Midlands Arts and Culture Magazine?

They'll be getting a email off me tonight!!

Nice one Sleepy!

Nay bother, glad to help.

I've actually considered a move back towards the midlands of late because of how expensive things are getting up here

 

[washingcattle]

Just read this article. So in a nutshell she's basically saying she's disgusted by the gentrification that she's an active part of and her problem with the pub in reality is that it's a reminder that she's complicit in the whole thing.

Yes exactly. And what she isn't saying is that the Job Centre itself had been closed for years. No one would take the property because of the neighbourhood it's in and no one in the neighbourhhod gives a shit

 

[GO]

Living outside the metropolis is a double edged sword for a musician.

On the one hand...you can work an awful lot harder at yer craft than you could if you were dealing with the constant distraction of living in the city.Going to gigs,pubs and all that social stuff.
But by not being around the action,you find it very hard to get booked in said city.Out of sight out of mind.

The music game is more about actual real life social interaction than even the quality of the music you're making.

So,if its getting on to top of the pops yer after.You gotta go where the action is.

If its music you care about...its a no brainer.Go where you can take time to think...get to know yer neighbours..all that good stuff.
And not have to worry about 5 euro cups of scald and wearing the right trousers

 

[sleepy]

Yes exactly. And what she isn't saying is that the Job Centre itself had been closed for years. No one would take the property because of the neighbourhood it's in and no one in the neighbourhhod gives a shit

Sure why let the truth get in the way of some good old fashioned middle class hand wringing.

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

Mountjoy Sq (adjacent) for 75k

Fitzgibbon Street, Mountjoy Square, Dublin 1 MyHome.ie Residential

 

[JohnnyRaz]

Mountjoy Sq (adjacent) for 75k

Fitzgibbon Street, Mountjoy Square, Dublin 1 MyHome.ie Residential

grim.

 

[therealjohnny]

I can't tell if that is a reasonable price anymore. Yeah it's tiny and looks terrible from the outside...but it's "near the city centre"!

 

[washingcattle]

grim.

Not really, it'd be at least €12,000 per annum to rent that place. If you could buy it out right it'd be the equivalent of 6 years rent. That's a bargain when you think about it.

 

[sleepy]

So,if its getting on to top of the pops yer after.You gotta go where the action is.

I hate to break it to you but they cancelled Top of the Pops years ago. How long have you been down in Portlaoise?

 

[ann post]

Yeah it's tiny and looks terrible from the outside...but it's "near the city centre"!

It looks great from the outside.

You crazy.

 

[therealjohnny]

It looks great from the outside.

You crazy.

It doesn't look like a €75,000 frontage to me

but I know nothing about this stuff

 

[nooleen]

And not have to worry about 5 euro cups of scald and wearing the right trousers

you were never that worried about wearing trousers in fairness

 

[sleepy]

It doesn't look like a €75,000 frontage to me

but I know nothing about this stuff

You could get an 8 bed mansion with a ready built rehearsal room for that price in the midlands.

With added edginess

 

[Space]

I wouldn't be so sure. Gentrification hasn't really happened to Dublin since Temple Bar turned into a tourist trap. By which I mean the areas of the south side that have artisan coffee shops now were always reasonably plush locations to begin with. If the money was there to gentrify anywhere, you'd definitely see it sweep through places like Phibsboro and north strand overnight.

Where I live is New Cross, it's got an art college in it, which is usually a good sign that the neighbourhood is dirt poor. It's five minutes walk from Millwall FC. As working class as it comes. In the last year it's suddenly got a lot of bullshit popping up all over it. We don't have a starbucks as yet so the second wave of gentrification (the really harmful one were the original small business's that predated the hipster places are gobbled up by corporate shit holes) hasn't really hit. It's a strange one to watch. You get places like this opening

The Job Centre bar's attempt to do gentrification ironically is an insult | Jane Elliott | Comment is free | theguardian.com

which on one hand is really none of The Guardians business and on the other hand the bar itself is an anathema to the locals not because of it's name (no one here gives a shit) but because it's Shoreditch style bar service (I.e unbelievably awful) in SE14.


Anyway what I'm saying is if and when the money starts to flow again the north side will be prime location for gentrification. At first you'll barely notice, then you'll think "this used to be a bit of a shit hole now look at it" and then that's it, that's when it's already over. That's when it's too late to turn back and you notice all those "est 1875" signs disappearing and being replaced with logos. If Dublin was anything like London then the north side would be about to become Shoreditch. Mark my words.

Stoneybatter.

 

[washingcattle]

Stoneybatter.

Yeah but has Stoneybatter really gotten that far ? I haven't been there in a while but it seemed to have a lot of it's old "charm" still in tact when i was there last.