Cormcolash
Well-Known Member
You're reading my post wrong, that's what it saysyou're being facetious right?
because I genuinely believe a big part of progress is them not being in power
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You're reading my post wrong, that's what it saysyou're being facetious right?
because I genuinely believe a big part of progress is them not being in power
I'd love to see SF get a chance at doing anything different, but I really don't think they'd be anywhere near as 'progressive' as they like to sound whilst in opposition, because to a large extent SF are opportunists that will point whichever way they think will get them votes. I'm quite confident that SF in charge would go in a very similar manner to how Syriza have gone in Greece – get some useful things done but in reality shift much more to the centre or indeed right than any of the things they said during election campaigns.
I'd love to be proved wrong by that, but can't see the Sinners ever making any actual concrete change to 'the system'.
I was thinking the same recently. Could Sinn Fein really do much better if they were the government? They talk a good game, but that's the easy part. They almost got in last time. It can stay a pipedream as far as I concerned. I vote for Fianna Fail and Fine Geal.
I don't care what they propose. Its who they are associated with.
It's still there.
No I'm grand.
Yeah, the thing is that the people in comfortable or well-off positions are the ones that will immediately be up in arms any time there are any changes that affect them negatively, and it's very hard to make things better for less well-off sections of society without impacting those who already hold the wealth. It's obvious that the whole societal and political system we live under is already geared to favour the powerful, and it's going to be incredibly difficult to change any of that without their support, because their support generally controls the structures that you would want to change.The problem with getting into government is that 95% of it consists of trying to stop the whole fucking place falling apart into a feral mess of human depravity and carnage, therefore the urge is to maintain the status quo in order to stop this happening. The 5% that is available for progressing your ideology then seems like a drop in the ocean to those that want change.
Parties like SF would probably use the 5% as much as possible, but it's still only 5% and will always disappoint those who want wholesale change (same with GP/SD or any so called progressives) FFG are happy to use 1% of their 5% allowance safe in the knowledge that that the show is still on the road.
It's only when things get so bad that a majority are prepared to accept the risk of a feral mess of human depravity and carnage that real change will happen. I wouldn't hold my breath....
Shitepipe the accelerationistThe problem with getting into government is that 95% of it consists of trying to stop the whole fucking place falling apart into a feral mess of human depravity and carnage, therefore the urge is to maintain the status quo in order to stop this happening. The 5% that is available for progressing your ideology then seems like a drop in the ocean to those that want change.
Parties like SF would probably use the 5% as much as possible, but it's still only 5% and will always disappoint those who want wholesale change (same with GP/SD or any so called progressives) FFG are happy to use 1% of their 5% allowance safe in the knowledge that that the show is still on the road.
It's only when things get so bad that a majority are prepared to accept the risk of a feral mess of human depravity and carnage that real change will happen. I wouldn't hold my breath....
Shitepipe the accelerationist
If nothing is done to stop the way things are going then yeah i'd imagine so. In all my years on thumped i'm yet to come across a post where anyone on here has predicted an optimistic socialist paradise just around the corner tbhHa, not quite- but I do think that a revolution/s of some description is the inevitable conclusion of inequalities driven by capitalism as it is currently practiced... Brexit is one form of this revolution- it was one of the few times the 'masses' could actually decide in a material way the future destiny of a country, without all of various layers of the system being able to whir into action and act as a buffer to real change.
The unfortunate thing is, when the revolution does happen, we shoulddn't assume it will be the one that we envisage- it will probably look more like Brexit than some kind of idyllic socialist paradise...
I was thinking the same recently. Could Sinn Fein really do much better if they were the government? They talk a good game, but that's the easy part. They almost got in last time. It can stay a pipedream as far as I concerned. I'll never vote for them.
I don't care what they propose. Its who they are associated with.
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