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LMD64
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Re: On Tom McRae's site today....
have to agree with elderlemon, although i reckon greg palast is a much better journalist than michael moore could ever be, unless he backs up the statistics taken from the exit polls, that's all they actually are. statistics. with margins of error, potential for data contamination, the effect of sample sizes, number of samples taken, etc...
mind you, having read much of greg's work in the past, he does have a tendency to back up his claims with substantial and impressive facts and figures, so i wouldn't rule his opinion out completely, just because he didn't cite his sources. it was a quote of a report, references not included.
have to agree with elderlemon, although i reckon greg palast is a much better journalist than michael moore could ever be, unless he backs up the statistics taken from the exit polls, that's all they actually are. statistics. with margins of error, potential for data contamination, the effect of sample sizes, number of samples taken, etc...
mind you, having read much of greg's work in the past, he does have a tendency to back up his claims with substantial and impressive facts and figures, so i wouldn't rule his opinion out completely, just because he didn't cite his sources. it was a quote of a report, references not included.
P. Littbarski
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The trouble and strife in Kerry camp: 'I can't believe I'm losing to this idiot'
from the irish independant...
JOHN Kerry constantly squabbled with his difficult and hypochondriac wife, ran a campaign team riven by internal feuding, and repeatedly begged the Republican senator John McCain to become his running-mate, according to a riveting inside account of his doomed presidential bid.
The Massachusetts senator was so obsessed with getting advice from a multitude of rival advisers that one aide confiscated his mobile phone. His wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry, became such a moody distraction that in the closing weeks of the campaign another aide instructed her to stop whispering advice in his ear and back off.
At the same time, according to 'Newsweek', the relentlessly disciplined Bush White House, which only once descended into near panic after the President's disastrous first debate performance, became so aghast and delighted at Mr Kerry's ability to shoot himself in the foot that they almost felt sorry for him.
One of the untold stories of the presidential campaign was the erratic behaviour of the candidate's wife, the Heinz heiress Mr Kerry married in 1995, according to 'Newsweek'.
She drove her Secret Service detail mad with her chronic lateness, constantly demanded attention, including her husband's (who seemed to tread on eggshells when around her). She even sent him off on errands, such as fetching bottles of water. She also clashed with Mary Beth Cahill, Mr Kerry's campaign manager.
At the climax of a coast-to-coast campaign tour after the Democrat convention in August, Mr Kerry's aides had crafted a family holiday hike in the Grand Canyon, with the candidate's wife and two daughters, Alexandra and Vanessa. But shortly after the hike began, Mrs Heinz Kerry was soon complaining of migraines, telling her husband that she could not go on.
The end of the hike led to one of the biggest blunders of Mr Kerry's campaign, one of several times he fell squarely into traps set for him by Mr Bush's re-election team.
For several days, Mr Bush had been issuing this challenge to Mr Kerry: if he knew before the Iraq war that no weapons would be found, would he still have voted to authorise the war (Mr Bush insisted that he, as President, would still have invaded). Asked this by a reporter at the Grand Canyon, Mr Kerry said yes, he would still have voted to give Mr Bush "the authority" to invade.
In Bush-Cheney headquarters, they could hardly believe their luck that he handed them another flip-flop. But they had always believed that, properly baited, he could be led into a trap. Inside the Bush re-election "Strategery Room" (named after a famous Bush malapropism), a sign above the door read: IT'S THE HYPOCRISY, STUPID, a reference to Mr Kerry's constantly shifting positions.
The greatest moment inside this room came when Mr Kerry, after days of baiting by the Bush campaign over his vote for the war, but his vote against an $87billion request for funding it, told a rally: "I actually did vote for the $87billion before I voted against it."
"Oh my God," said Terry Holt, Mr Bush's communications adviser, as he watched the blunder on television. Mark McKinnon, Mr Bush's advertising chief, said: "The second we saw it, we knew we had a new ad. The greatest gifts in politics are the gifts the other side gives you."
Mr Kerry, now in sessions with a speech coach, grew increasingly frustrated. After a faltering press conference by Mr Bush in April, and with Iraq in turmoil, Mr Kerry exclaimed: "I can't believe I'm losing to this idiot."
During the early summer, Mr Kerry implored Mr McCain, the maverick Republican who ran against Mr Bush in the 2000 Republican primaries, to become his running-mate, meeting him seven times. "I can't say this is an offer because I've got to be able to deny it," Mr Kerry told Mr McCain. "But you've got to do this."
Mr McCain told him he was out of his mind, and went on to embrace Mr Bush. "Goddammit," a furious Mr Kerry said to an aide. "Don't you know what I offered him? Why the f*** didn't he take it?"
At the time, Mr Kerry also thought that John Edwards, his eventual choice, was overly ambitious. "What makes this guy think he can be president?" he asked staff in February.
After the anti-Kerry Swift Boat veteran attacks in August, Mr Kerry's campaign was in turmoil, beset by feuds, indecision and dithering. Enter James Carville, Bill Clinton's former strategist. So appalled was he by the chaos inside the campaign that in early September he decided that Miss Cahill had to be ousted, and Joe Lockhart, Mr Clinton's former spokesman, inserted as manager.
When he called a meeting with the pair, he was so worked up, he began to cry, screaming to Miss Cahill: "You've got to let him [Mr Lockhart] do it!" Mr Lockhart duly took over, and Mr Clinton's former campaign team virtually moved in.
from the irish independant...
JOHN Kerry constantly squabbled with his difficult and hypochondriac wife, ran a campaign team riven by internal feuding, and repeatedly begged the Republican senator John McCain to become his running-mate, according to a riveting inside account of his doomed presidential bid.
The Massachusetts senator was so obsessed with getting advice from a multitude of rival advisers that one aide confiscated his mobile phone. His wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry, became such a moody distraction that in the closing weeks of the campaign another aide instructed her to stop whispering advice in his ear and back off.
At the same time, according to 'Newsweek', the relentlessly disciplined Bush White House, which only once descended into near panic after the President's disastrous first debate performance, became so aghast and delighted at Mr Kerry's ability to shoot himself in the foot that they almost felt sorry for him.
One of the untold stories of the presidential campaign was the erratic behaviour of the candidate's wife, the Heinz heiress Mr Kerry married in 1995, according to 'Newsweek'.
She drove her Secret Service detail mad with her chronic lateness, constantly demanded attention, including her husband's (who seemed to tread on eggshells when around her). She even sent him off on errands, such as fetching bottles of water. She also clashed with Mary Beth Cahill, Mr Kerry's campaign manager.
At the climax of a coast-to-coast campaign tour after the Democrat convention in August, Mr Kerry's aides had crafted a family holiday hike in the Grand Canyon, with the candidate's wife and two daughters, Alexandra and Vanessa. But shortly after the hike began, Mrs Heinz Kerry was soon complaining of migraines, telling her husband that she could not go on.
The end of the hike led to one of the biggest blunders of Mr Kerry's campaign, one of several times he fell squarely into traps set for him by Mr Bush's re-election team.
For several days, Mr Bush had been issuing this challenge to Mr Kerry: if he knew before the Iraq war that no weapons would be found, would he still have voted to authorise the war (Mr Bush insisted that he, as President, would still have invaded). Asked this by a reporter at the Grand Canyon, Mr Kerry said yes, he would still have voted to give Mr Bush "the authority" to invade.
In Bush-Cheney headquarters, they could hardly believe their luck that he handed them another flip-flop. But they had always believed that, properly baited, he could be led into a trap. Inside the Bush re-election "Strategery Room" (named after a famous Bush malapropism), a sign above the door read: IT'S THE HYPOCRISY, STUPID, a reference to Mr Kerry's constantly shifting positions.
The greatest moment inside this room came when Mr Kerry, after days of baiting by the Bush campaign over his vote for the war, but his vote against an $87billion request for funding it, told a rally: "I actually did vote for the $87billion before I voted against it."
"Oh my God," said Terry Holt, Mr Bush's communications adviser, as he watched the blunder on television. Mark McKinnon, Mr Bush's advertising chief, said: "The second we saw it, we knew we had a new ad. The greatest gifts in politics are the gifts the other side gives you."
Mr Kerry, now in sessions with a speech coach, grew increasingly frustrated. After a faltering press conference by Mr Bush in April, and with Iraq in turmoil, Mr Kerry exclaimed: "I can't believe I'm losing to this idiot."
During the early summer, Mr Kerry implored Mr McCain, the maverick Republican who ran against Mr Bush in the 2000 Republican primaries, to become his running-mate, meeting him seven times. "I can't say this is an offer because I've got to be able to deny it," Mr Kerry told Mr McCain. "But you've got to do this."
Mr McCain told him he was out of his mind, and went on to embrace Mr Bush. "Goddammit," a furious Mr Kerry said to an aide. "Don't you know what I offered him? Why the f*** didn't he take it?"
At the time, Mr Kerry also thought that John Edwards, his eventual choice, was overly ambitious. "What makes this guy think he can be president?" he asked staff in February.
After the anti-Kerry Swift Boat veteran attacks in August, Mr Kerry's campaign was in turmoil, beset by feuds, indecision and dithering. Enter James Carville, Bill Clinton's former strategist. So appalled was he by the chaos inside the campaign that in early September he decided that Miss Cahill had to be ousted, and Joe Lockhart, Mr Clinton's former spokesman, inserted as manager.
When he called a meeting with the pair, he was so worked up, he began to cry, screaming to Miss Cahill: "You've got to let him [Mr Lockhart] do it!" Mr Lockhart duly took over, and Mr Clinton's former campaign team virtually moved in.
LMD64
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Re: The trouble and strife in Kerry camp: 'I can't believe I'm losing to this idiot'
it was between him and bush?
Man1: He's right, this is a two-party system.
Man2: Well, I believe I'll vote for a third-party candidate.
Kang: Go ahead, throw your vote away.
[Kang and Kodos laugh out loud]
it was between him and bush?
Man1: He's right, this is a two-party system.
Man2: Well, I believe I'll vote for a third-party candidate.
Kang: Go ahead, throw your vote away.
[Kang and Kodos laugh out loud]
P. Littbarski
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Re: The trouble and strife in Kerry camp: 'I can't believe I'm losing to this idiot'
er...how do I insert a picture thats on my desktop ?
er...how do I insert a picture thats on my desktop ?
It Will Never Last
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Re: The trouble and strife in Kerry camp: 'I can't believe I'm losing to this idiot'
On a more serious note, have you got any webspace you can use?
Staple (or glue preferably) it to your screen, we'll all be able to see it.P. Littbarski said:
On a more serious note, have you got any webspace you can use?
LMD64
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Re: The trouble and strife in Kerry camp: 'I can't believe I'm losing to this idiot'
gotsta upload it somewhere and link to it. or as an attachment, but that don't display the mo'fu' in the post.P. Littbarski said:
guy of the tiger
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Re: The trouble and strife in Kerry camp: 'I can't believe I'm losing to this idiot'
probably bullshit ,but still, it feels right
http://www.mjzhosting.net/images/2004election_by_iq.jpg
probably bullshit ,but still, it feels right
http://www.mjzhosting.net/images/2004election_by_iq.jpg
jane
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Re: The trouble and strife in Kerry camp: 'I can't believe I'm losing to this idiot'
http://www.sorryeverybody.com/
http://www.sorryeverybody.com/
broken arm
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Re: The trouble and strife in Kerry camp: 'I can't believe I'm losing to this idiot'
public opinion summed up
public opinion summed up
oh shit
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Re: The trouble and strife in Kerry camp: 'I can't believe I'm losing to this idiot'
ha, i was about to post that link.jane said:
Latex lizzie
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'To fit in with the change of events, words, too, had to change their meanings. What used to be described as a thoughtless act of agression was now regarded as the courage one would expect to find in a party member; to think of the future and wait was merely another way of saying one was a coward; any idea of moderation was just an attempt to disguise one's unmanly character; ability to understand a question from all sides meant that one was totally unfitted for action. Fanatical enthusiasm was the mark of a real man, and to plot against an enemy behind his back was perfectly legitimate self-defense. Anyone who held violent opinions could always be trusted, and anyone who objected to them became a suspect....Family relations were a weaker tie than party membership, since party members were more ready to go to any extreme for any reason whatever....Revenge was more important than self-preservation....a victory won by treachery gave one a title for superior intelligence. And indeed most people are more ready to call villainy cleverness than simple-mindedness honesty. They are proud of the first quality and ashamed of the second.'
[The historian Thucydides, writing in the 5th century BC on the decline in moral, civic and political standards during the civil war in Corcyra.]
we've been here before.
[The historian Thucydides, writing in the 5th century BC on the decline in moral, civic and political standards during the civil war in Corcyra.]
we've been here before.
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that's a lot of fucking.broken arm said:
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