Referendums 24, a woman's place is wherever she wants it to be? (2 Viewers)

[egg_]

I read the original Citizen's Assembly wording about 10 minutes ago, and then closed the tab, and now I can't find it again. Do you have it to hand @ann post ?

 

[ann post]

I read the original Citizen's Assembly wording about 10 minutes ago, and then closed the tab, and now I can't find it again. Do you have it to hand @ann post ?

This recommendation was sent to the Oireachtas as part of the SecondReport of the Convention on the Constitution.8 The Government accepted therecommendation on the need to amend Article 41.2, noting that a reference tocarers in the Constitution required further reflection and consultation. It set upa Task Force to consider an appropriate response which reported in October20169, setting out three broad options:

1) to replace Article 41.2 with a provision which recognises the work of carersin the home, and a commitment to endeavour to support this work;

2) to extend the commitment to ‘endeavour to support’ carers beyond thehome, through a new Article 45.4.310 which would recognise care in thebroader community, as well as in the home;

or3) to repeal Article 41.2 altogether (this approach was not recommended bythe Task Force).

 

[egg_]

Hmmm I thought there was something about "make reasonable efforts to support care in the home and in the wider community" but I can't find it now. Maybe it was only speculation

edit: oh, so the Task Force explicitly decided not to include carers beyond the home in 'endeavour to support'. I wonder was that on foot of the AG's advice - he seems to be worried that even the existing amendment will have a big financial impact, according to this

 

[Cormcolash]

God forbid that the state should actually have to pay decent money to people for looking after other people - they don't even work in banks, the peasants!!

 

[GARYXKNIFEDX]

General talk in work was that no one understands it so they aren't going to vote.

 

[Space]

Anyone else find it mad that the text of the amendment was not included on the voting cards? So you are just handed two separate cards, one for the 39th Amendment, and one for the 40th amendment- so unless you know which is which you don't actually know what you are voting for. Absolutely crazy

To be fair the cards say amendment to the Family/Care bills.

 

[Unicron]

Anyone else find it mad that the text of the amendment was not included on the voting cards? So you are just handed two separate cards, one for the 39th Amendment, and one for the 40th amendment- so unless you know which is which you don't actually know what you are voting for. Absolutely crazy

It's laid on on the polling card they send out to you.

 

[hydromancer]

Well I will something or other since I usually do you know democracy and al that

 

[magicbastarder]

my wife is home now after a nightmare day at work and is in no mood to head out to vote, and for the first time ever, neither am i.

 

[chris d]

Kid fell off her scooter and knocked a tooth out and bent another one. Voting didn't happen.

 

[sleepy]

Kid fell off her scooter and knocked a tooth out and bent another one. Voting didn't happen.

Ah shite. Hope she’s alright

 

[chris d]

Ah shite. Hope she’s alright

Thanks. Rough day for her, but babyteeth at least.

 

[ann post]

Character building

 

[Unicron]

The journos at the count centres are saying it'll be no no

 

[magicbastarder]

What's the argument for just deleting the previous text rather than replacing it with a new all inclusive text? A kinda secularism Vs multi denominational approach.

 

[pete]

A great day for the Iona Institue.

 

[JohnnyRaz]

A great day for the Iona Institue.

I heard some whispers of ‘this is all a plot to bring more baby eating Muslims into the country’ from a uninformed source.

Was there much influence from that quarter do people think/know?

 

[sleepy]

I heard some whispers of ‘this is all a plot to bring more baby eating Muslims into the country’ from a uninformed source.

Was there much influence from that quarter do people think/know?

One gobshite I know was saying this is a victory against the woke degenerate brigade. So there probably was a fair bit of influence there.

 

[JohnnyRaz]

One gobshite I know was saying this is a victory against the woke degenerate brigade. So there probably was a fair bit of influence there.

Actually I found reference to it… apparently the rumour was that durable relationships could include polygamous marriages, and allow more family members to be brought into the country. By the standards of right wing theories that’s less crazy than I expected…

 

[ann post]

the 'no because religion' gang had a lot of solid one liner bits floating around social media, none of it fact checked or bearing on reality but very much in the zone of things that they like to hear.

I'm not to concerned wether they think it is a win or not.
from a disability perspective i've technically not been written out of the consitution
on the international side, irelands govt already look like dicks in europe for A: having the sexist line in the constitution and B: being behind the rest of europe on disability policy. They tried to fudge even less legal rights into the constitution by giving women a hobsons choice referendum on international womens day. They look like dicks now, and they deserve to for ignoring europe, ignoring the citizens assembly, ignoring the UN and trying to pull a fast one.