It's also a great example as it has an endless stream of live bands, many of them playing to empty rooms.
Would having less venues improve the crowd do you think?
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It's also a great example as it has an endless stream of live bands, many of them playing to empty rooms.
NoWould having less venues improve the crowd do you think?
They could afford to if The government / arts council or whatever shared the cost, I think that's the point a few people have made.
No one is gonna see their taxes raised so that some punk band on a Tuesday in the Pint get paid. It's not gonna happen.
Your talking thousands and thousands of hours a year that would need to be paid and many of not the majority of those performances are empty or half-empty rooms.
I personally don't think it's moral to force people to pay taxes for that.
so you're saying the arts council should be abolished?
For Working?
The government could give corporate sponsors tax breaks or what have you or some related financial raise to incentivise money going towards paying people, even the minimum of expenses so just playing a gig won't out you out of pocket let alone actually being paid for their time
i can't believe you think the arts council should be abolished, that's terrible
So all the people who go to original music will stop going to gigs. I have doubts about your use of logic. And you skipped a few of my questions which is questionable.
Those incentives are tax money. Call them incentives, if it helps you feel better, but it's tax money.
And yes, no one is forcing anyone to play for free - that's not even vaguely happening ever.
Once that happens there's a moral issue, but until then bands are no different to shop owners that take no salary, etc. Many many self-employed people work for nothing or at a loss.
Pretending "art" deserves a different approach is kinda fine in theory, but in practice, paying thousands of crap bands to play to empty rooms is not a good use of tax money.
Fix schools and hospitals.
Fix public transport.
But paying shit bands? No way.
No one is gonna see their taxes raised so that some punk band on a Tuesday in the Pint get paid. It's not gonna happen.
So you think even Approaching the idea of a sliding scale or some form of subsidised monies or anything that could even tip the scales towards a balanced system is just mad?
Shooting down even the suggestion of figuring out a way to be more in line with proven sound European models seems a bit narrow minded.
especially when your response is that it's somehow preventing people from dying or being educated. Would you pay an extra €20 a year towards a fund of allowing musicians I be paid, like some sort of tax?
I'm not saying pay shit oasis cover bands playing to a horrified dog in a basement bar in athy because there could be a method of figuring out who gets what. Or any fucking idea I don't know
i never said that, obviously i think free venues should be staffed by monkey butlers trained by the musicians until gigs start happeningI don't. And never said anything close to that.
I can't believe you think tax money should go to shit bands instead of schools and hospitals.
How about the logic that dublin grew at an exponential and unchecked rate for a very long period time and a lot of what was built at that time was based on sustainability that only related to the amount of cash that was floating about, and to consider a sort of music 2.0 environment of good sustainable venues then 'less' would probably be first on the list. The lads talking about DIY on this thread know a LOT about sustainable music.
See thread for questions I asked...
How many government employees should we hire to police this system where bands are deemed good enough to be paid?
If a band does one cover does it deserve payment?
What about bands playing a GBV tribute night? Are they now worthless, even though they're all original bands?
And sure, you can have €20 a year from me, but how much money do you think that would possibly mean to the average musician?
€100 a year?
A €10 a month?
And that tenner a month is worth how many new laws, government employees, taxes and whatnot?
That's the big leap forward?
i never said that, obviously i think free venues should be staffed by monkey butlers trained by the musicians until gigs start happening
i think that was blatantly clear from my initial statement
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