Water Charges (1 Viewer)

[7 - No tomorrow]

Every time he says something intelligent someone comes along to mention his connections to Enron

Smartest guys in the room!

 

[тхеодоре кацзынски]

that was exactly my point. there's zero reason to have any faith in the ability of the government to get it done either.

Apologies, I wasn't sure what you were getting at.
You must recognise though that of the two its the govenment that is more likely to get it done and, notwithstanding the massive waste they've engaged in, they are taking (small) steps in the right direction.

I think the poll numbers are to do with the general/small improvement in jobs and peoples pay packets.
That is all the majority votes on at the end of the day.

Absolutely. This is taking money from peoples pay packets though and, after riding out a storm of criticism and giving some ground, the government seems to have passed the test without too bad a beating.

 

[nooleen]

Apologies, I wasn't sure what you were getting at.
You must recognise though that of the two its the govenment that is more likely to get it done and, notwithstanding the massive waste they've engaged in, they are taking (small) steps in the right direction.

people don't want to trust the job to corrupt incompetents just because 'somebody has to do it', is the point

 

[Scientician 0.8]

Smartest guys in the room!

What's the Enron connection?

 

[тхеодоре кацзынски]

people don't want to trust the job to corrupt incompetents just because 'somebody has to do it', is the point

Who else is gonna do it though?
And, as above, the shrinking protest movement suggests that the majority have accepted that, relative incompetence aside, government will do the job.

 

[nooleen]

a non-corrupt, non-incompetent government, ideally

 

[Scientician 0.8]

Who else is gonna do it though?
And, as above, the shrinking protest movement suggests that the majority have accepted that, relative incompetence aside, government will do the job.

Most (all?) protest movements lose momentum. I am not sure fewer people turning out suggests what you suggest it suggests.

 

[therealjohnny]

What's the Enron connection?

I might have got that wrong. I've seen criticism of him on forums like The Journal and Broadsheet because allegedly he dealt with dodgy financial types in the past. I remembered this as Enron..but I could be wrong. Their argument is something along the lines that he has some cheek coming across all socialist now after the company he used to keep. I can't find anything to substantiate this now though

 

[Scientician 0.8]

I might have got that wrong. I've seen criticism of him on forums like The Journal and Broadsheet because allegedly he dealt with dodgy financial types in the past. I remembered this as Enron..but I could be wrong. Their argument is something along the lines that he has some cheek coming across all socialist now after the company he used to keep. I can't find anything to substantiate this now though

Also recall him not ruling out joining FF, which means he is worse than scum.

 

[тхеодоре кацзынски]

a non-corrupt, non-incompetent government, ideally

Ideally we would have had competent governments whose conduct meant we wouldnt be dealing with this issue at all.
But, to resort to cliche, we are where we are. Next year the people will judge the government on their conduct and, as above, the polls indicate a relative satisfaction with the government.

Most (all?) protest movements lose momentum. I am not sure fewer people turning out suggests what you suggest it suggests.

What does it suggest to you?
Six months ago the government was under tremendous pressure regarding the water issue, they recognised that, offered concessions and the pressure has abated. As said previously bills landing on doormats may change that but for now it seems that compromise has had the desired effect.

 

[nooleen]

30,000 people (and that's a garda estimate) protested last saturday...is that abated pressure?

 

[Jim Daniels]

This is full on WTF

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.

Accept third party cookies

Irish Corporation Claims Ownership of RAIN | We Are Change

 

[Unicron]

On the subject of @Scientician 0.8's question about water protesters voting no out of spite, there was a discussion about the narrowing of the margin of yes people in the polls on the news today. Though it'd probably be a leap to credit that increase in no support to water protesters without further polling, it doesn't seem like a credible argument to me.

 

[тхеодоре кацзынски]

30,000 people (and that's a garda estimate) protested last saturday...is that abated pressure?

Compared to last years protests (80, 000+ estimated), absolutely.

 

[nooleen]

as estimated by organisers, who gave the same estimate for saturday's protest. the gardai were estimating 30,000 for those protests too.

 

[nooleen]

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.

Accept third party cookies

 

[тхеодоре кацзынски]

This is full on WTF

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.

Accept third party cookies

Irish Corporation Claims Ownership of RAIN | We Are Change

He obviously didn't read the document himself.
The start of it contains a definition of terms used- simply put, a sewer is that owned/operated by I.W. while a drain is that not owned by I.W.
I.W. are only responsible for the water going into and exiting a property, rain/run-off/surface water remains the responsibility of the local authority.

as estimated by organisers, who gave the same estimate for saturday's protest. the gardai were estimating 30,000 for those protests too.

The organisers? Would you be as trusting of those with a vested interest if their politics didn't coincide with your own?

 

[nooleen]

The organisers? Would you be as trusting of those with a vested interest if their politics didn't coincide with your own?

i was pointing out that you quoted the organisers' figure; i quoted the garda figure.

 

[nooleen]

He obviously didn't read the document himself.
The start of it contains a definition of terms used- simply put, a sewer is that owned/operated by I.W. while a drain is that not owned by I.W.
I.W. are only responsible for the water going into and exiting a property, rain/run-off/surface water remains the responsibility of the local authority.

is that not the entire crux of the point he was making? if you use the rainwater in such a way that it then runs off into the sewer, irish water will charge you for it.

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

This is full on WTF

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.

Accept third party cookies

Irish Corporation Claims Ownership of RAIN | We Are Change

Shit, I was gonna do that in the gaff.