US Presidential Elections 2008 (1 Viewer)

[mark]

The fact that a fiercely pro-life, pro-war nut is the 'best' of them...that's terrifying, isn't it?

it certainly is.

 

[Wobbler]

Do you know what would liven up this debate? Janer. It's all too one-sided now.

 

[Mormon Nailer]

I hear the Iraqis are all bent out of shape over talk of rolling back Roe v Wade.

 

[Mormon Nailer]

Will that do?

 

[Vinnie]

I hope you're joking.

Actually Jane, can you tell me why you thought I might be joking?

 

[flashback]

he seems to have a certain amount of integrity lacking in most Republican types.

Yeah.
So, if you watch him, say on that Google Meets The candidates thing, you can see that he answers questions according to how he thinks, now that is pretty amazing.
He doesn't have a book, with a load of answers in it, that have been worked out carefully, like RTE's comedy demographics, and then spool off that incantation.

You can clearly see him thinking about the question, the wheels spinning, and then he answers it.

This is more or less diametrically opposed to basically everyone else, who answer things like a well trained mockingbird.

He does sort of live in imaginary land a little bit though. He "doesn't really buy global warming" for instance. And, hypothetically if he did buy it, he thinks it can all just sort of be worked out business by business, on a local level, by people taking cases against polluters.
Also, that there should be no Board of Education, that this is big government, this is one of the first things he plans on getting rid of, and that every school will just be funded locally from the surrounding residents. And that this will just work out well, because there will be no poor areas, because of how wealthy everyone will be under him. And that the government must sell all assets immediately (and by all, he means ALL, everything, including air and water it seems).

And then he just has this mantra about Socialised Health and Educations, and all forms of Socialism in fact, utterly fail.

This is just not true.

Ron. Get on a plane. Go to Norway.
Have a look around.
If that looks like failure.... I dunno....you're an idiot.
But, I would say he's never been to Norway, or Sweden, or Danmark, or Allende's Chile or... and so on. I have the feeling that he is a bit of a loony really.

I like some of what he says.
Dont get me wrong.
But some of it is bollix.

 

[pete]

I meant mccain.

 

[pete]

I think I read somewhere that ron paul is the stormfront candidate of choice?

 

[billygannon]

I think I read somewhere that ron paul is the stormfront candidate of choice?

I keep thinking of Ru Paul when I read Ron Paul.
Are they related?

 

[Vinnie]

I keep thinking of Ru Paul when I read Ron Paul.
Are they related?

Ru Paul is Ron Paul's Pun

 

[flashback]

I meant mccain.

oops.

I think I read somewhere that ron paul is the stormfront candidate of choice?

No. Not at all. Well, I mean, I am not totally clear on what the Stormfront Canditate means.

Ron Paul is economically right wing. He believes in the US constitution, the market, selling everything and small government that interferes as little as possible in day to day living.

He is also completely libertarian. He believes that the government does not own the people it governs, either in body (ie via the draft) or financially (ie income tax). That people have the right to decide what is best for them, themselves, and as long as this doesn't impinge on any other persons right to exist as they see fit this is ok.
He would be tending towards a more Anarchistic view of things. That the centralised government, and law, should play as little part in people's day to day lives as is possible. That issues, almost all issues, are far better being dealt with locally, by local council, rather than pushing through country wide dictats from a high and remote government.

He has been consistently against the Iraq war, against almost all parts of the NeoCon agenda, nation / empire building, all of that stuff.
He believes that it would be his job to look after American's right to exist peacefully and that he should look after peoples individual rights according to the constitution, and that the rest of the world is big enough to look after itself.

He would not at all be racist, or anything else-ist though.

I dont think he is the worst guy in the world.
He says clearly what he believes, and some of that seems about right to me.

McCain seems vague to me, although, from an otherwise comically bad bunch, he would be more or less the least shit.

 

[flashback]

Some commentators are saying the fact that New Hampshire was the last state to adopt Martin Luther King day as a holiday may indicate that the votes may have been racially motivated.

Anyway, Bill Clinton came second in New Hampshire. So it doesn't mean Hillary will definitely get the nomination.

And does anyone think this dynasty business is a bit, well, undemocratic?
Bush - Clinton - Clinton - Bush - Bush - Clinton

The US only really gives a passing glance to democracy, it doesn't really try to pretend that it is in some way still a democratic system.
It calls itself a federal constitutional republic.

It is not one person, one vote.
A vote's worth is dependent on where its cast. Some peoples votes are worth far more than others.
And, even though people vote directly for the president, their votes dont actually count, since only "college" votes are counted.
Meaning even if the majority of people vote for one specific person, he may not win. (Ie Bush / Gore)

It does not use proportional representation, so to vote for people like Nader is the same as not voting.
So, you end up with voting for the lesser of two evils. (Each of whom, in the recent past, have bought their nomination from their party.)

Which, means you still end up voting for evil, as someone pointed out.

 

[Gambra]

Ah never mind

 

[flashback]

Jesus fucking Christ.

Hilary is going on now as if this is some massive comeback against all odds for the little guy of the campaign.

Rather than the presumed default, massively financially backed, massively well known, big political dynasty, open your mouth and swallow what we give you and shut up candidate that she really is.

 

[Froog]

i love turkey gravy

 

[Froog]

woops, that was supposed to be a tag...

 

[pete]

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/why-we-should-support-ron-388565.html

 

[flashback]

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/why-we-should-support-ron-388565.html

So, I wouldn't vote for Ron Paul. I think a lot of his ideas are a little unrealistic. And a lot of them are wrong. And, I agree with some of them.
(I would vote for Kucinich if I could.)



The fact that some dude, who is a Stormfronter, thinks he is the "best of a bad bunch" doesn't change that.
Also while I dont agree with a lot of what Stormfront says*, that is not to say that I disagree with every single sentiment any one of them ever has.


from the opening post:

Ron Paul is NOT a White Nationalist. His Libertarian policies will also conflict with National Socialism, something that a good number of Stormfront members support.

It would seem odd though that they support him, over someone like say Guiliani.
A lot of Stormfront guys would be fascists. Ron Paul is very far from being a facsist. He is pretty much the opposite really.


Hitler, who presumably a lot of these guys think was great altogether was the complete opposite to Paul. Hitler was Authoritarian Socialist, Ron Paul is Libertarian Conservative. I am Libertarian Socialist. So it would seem I am nearer Hitler than Ron Paul.
And I am not really that close to Hitler politically.


*edit actually, might not be true, I pay almost no attention to what SF says, since they seem to be cunts. So I dont really know, strictly speaking, but I have an idea generally.

 

[killy kill]

I think I read somewhere that ron paul is the stormfront candidate of choice?

Edit:addressed above

 

[Vinnie]

He is simply the best candidate for white Americans to support. In fact, the black population should vote for him as well, due to his stance against illegal immigration. They probably won't, with o'bama running, however. Once again showing their inherent racism against all whites.

These guys are always hilarious. Creating a nonsensical straw man & then condemning millions of people for something which in his opinion, they will probably do, thus proving a theory that doesnt really exist. Perfick.