Riot in O'Connell st. (2 Viewers)

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c0De_n1NjA said:
The Indisputable Hierarchy of Society

Poshos
Upper middle class cool dudes
Middle class idiots
Proles
Poles
Povvos
Bosmanians
Darkies
Knackers
Tinkers
Homeless
Redheads
Disabled


You can take that to the bank, big man.

I presume you fall under the Upper Middle Class Cool Dude catagory.

In fact I know you do, you cool, moderately wealthy bastard.

No room for the chinaman on the scale though. I reckon they make up a least 30% of the population.

Chinese dentist, 2.30.
 
DuncheeKnifed said:
from what i can gather people had a problem with the label scum/scummers/scumbags as a very class biased term in this context. the other side of the conversation then seemed to fall back on the defensive and maintain their right to vilify the rioters and call them scum on the grounds of the violent acts that they carried out.

i reckon that this defense is only partially acceptable. i mean i understand why people are pissed off and i wouldn't condone violence against other people unless it was in self-defense or whatever. However, i think the reaction of calls of scumbags and so on were also partially situated in prejudicial class-biased socialisation too. stereotyping is never helpful in serious and emotive situations. a few people have talked about personal expierences or court cases that they heard about involving 'scumbags' and while the people exampled in these cases are pricks you have to recognise that terms like 'scum' and so on have both literal and cultural definitions.

i'm not advocating some sort of crazy politically correct gone mad utopia or anything but i think it is helpful to recognise our own positions and prejudices. in my opinion we all have biases due to loads of different factors of socialisation, environment, expierences, gender, age, etc. it's a good idea to keep track of them.


alrighty then, I see what your saying. If other folks here wanna associate the word "scum" with a "class", then they can go right ahead. I never meant that, I call lots of people scum.
 
seanc said:
If other folks here wanna associate the word "scum" with a "class", then they can go right ahead. .

i think alot of it has to do with semantics. people might say 'scum' and be misunderstood for having referred to a certain class, when actually that was not their intention. i dunno.
 
c0De_n1NjA said:
The Indisputable Hierarchy of Society

Poshos
Upper middle class cool dudes
Middle class idiots
Proles
Poles
Povvos
Bosmanians
Darkies
Knackers
Tinkers
Homeless
Redheads
Disabled


I'm gonna O'Connell Street-riot kick you fucking head in you prick.

You're dead to me.
 
La La said:
i think alot of it has to do with semantics. people might say 'scum' and be misunderstood for having referred to a certain class, when actually that was not their intention. i dunno.

i dunno, the use of terms like scum/scumbag/skanger/gurier(sp?) and so on defo have class connotations, esp the last two. when someone says to you on paddys day "i wouldn't bother going drinking in the green, there's a load of scumbags up there", you know exactly who they are refering to and you create you're response according to you're background. not that it's a concious response. but the fact that so many preconceptions that you have about people based on stereotypes are unconcious/ingrained/built in/etc. you really have to be alert to them if you are to aspire to being non-biased.

not that you should automatically go against these gut feelings or automatic reactions all the time but it's a lot better to recognise this shit. self-criticism is always good. it doesn't just relate to class either.
 
They repeating the Henry McKeen/Nordie bloke hit-with-a-wheel-brace bit again.


H McK "Ahhhh, ooooh!"

Nordie "Those kids there are right! They're fuckin right!"
 
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