Cormcolash
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IRELAND VERSUS SLOBODAN MILOSOVIC
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Forde
O'Shea Clark/Dunne Wilson
Coleman McGeady/McClean
McCarthy Whelan
Hoolahan/Reid
Long Keane
I didn't get to see this, just saw text updates.. So Long still needs 4 or 5 good chances to score one, and Ward is still a liability? When was the last time we had a solid left back, maybe back when it was Finnan/O'Shea.. It sounded like we were good in the first half at least. I hope O'Neill sticks with developing the 4-5-1 option in spite of the setbacks. Scotland won in Poland today, they might be the real threat for 2nd place in the group. Our U21 side got beaten at home by Montenegro to knock them out of qualifying contention and round out a day of bad results.
Maybe this is simplistic thinking but.. Seeing as Long evidently works best with a strike partner, and we have one R.Keane on standby, but we don't want to ditch the 5 in midfield, how about 3-5-2, something like this:
Code:Forde O'Shea Clark/Dunne Wilson Coleman McGeady/McClean McCarthy Whelan Hoolahan/Reid Long Keane
For me, you can only play 3 at the back if all 3 of your centre halves have pace. When Italy out classed Spain in the first match at 2012 Euros they even had Cheilini, Bonnucci and De Rossi back there and they're no slouches have big engines and 2 of them play that system at club level. Everton did it last season with Distin, Jagielka and Stones (I think) none of which are short for pace. Unfortunately none of what we have could cover the ground well enough. Which is a pity because I reckon McClean could be groomed as a wing back and Coleman already is one really.
McClean got an elbow in the nose, he was bleeding after it. Coleman stepped up too late to play offside and didn't track Kolorov's ( I think) run properly. He was awful for the second goal but earlier when I mentioned google rewarding failure it's failures like that which have t be applauded (In a way, bear with me)True, Dunne and O'Shea might as well have zimmer frames at this stage.. Clark and Wilson a bit more mobile but not exactly rock steady, I think we'll still be depending on at least one of the older lads to run things at the back for this campaign. I thought that about McClean too, McGeady has also impressed me when he's had to put in a defensive shift (e.g. away vs Russia) which is partially why I thought the idea might work.
Just watched the highlights of the game there, it looks like Coleman gets walloped in the face in the lead-up to the first Serbian goal, maybe a bit unlucky the foul wasn't called. He had a shocker for the 2nd though..
Afraid not. No one plays the game that way, apart from a blip between 1988-1994 no one ever played that way successfully. The game has changed 2 up front means you're light in midfield, modern centre halves are too quick to be caught out by long punts up field. We're playing against lads that look like thisIf our centre halves and keeper are rubbish on the ball and are just going to launch it, is there nothing to be said for the old tactic of "putting 'em under pressure"? Long/Walters with the knockdown to a scampering, swarming Coleman/McGeady et al who lay it off to Hoolahan, who lashes it home or, if further out, plays a cross back to one of the strikers for a simple nod in past the bobble-hatted eastern European goalkeeper...?
Afraid not. No one plays the game that way, apart from a blip between 1988-1994 no one ever played that way successfully. The game has changed 2 up front means you're light in midfield, modern centre halves are too quick to be caught out by long punts up field. We're playing against lads that look like thisIf our centre halves and keeper are rubbish on the ball and are just going to launch it, is there nothing to be said for the old tactic of "putting 'em under pressure"? Long/Walters with the knockdown to a scampering, swarming Coleman/McGeady et al who lay it off to Hoolahan, who lashes it home or, if further out, plays a cross back to one of the strikers for a simple nod in past the bobble-hatted eastern European goalkeeper...?
David Moyes does.Afraid not. No one plays the game that way,
Afraid not. No one plays the game that way,
David Moyes does.
You just broke the internet. Fair play.You just contradicted you. Are you going to let you get away with that?
No I didn't, I said no one basic plays 4-4-2 kick and rush which Cinnamonboy described hereYou just contradicted you. Are you going to let you get away with that?
If our centre halves and keeper are rubbish on the ball and are just going to launch it, is there nothing to be said for the old tactic of "putting 'em under pressure"? Long/Walters with the knockdown to a scampering, swarming Coleman/McGeady et al who lay it off to Hoolahan, who lashes it home or, if further out, plays a cross back to one of the strikers for a simple nod in past the bobble-hatted eastern European goalkeeper...?
We need play on the break, pass it better, get some pace in midfield and when we have it if we're going to play it long we have to take responsibility at the back pass it be comfortable on the ball, invite teams on to us to create space in behind. What we're doing now is just handing the ball back to whoever we play against. Even Armenia had us sussed after 10 minutes. We aren't technically as good as our opposition and in a way this group for the euros suits us because we can scrap, but how we scrap has to be more sophisticated.
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