oh shit
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it's true, america is a fundamentalist state, consistently acting in violation of international law, and harbouring terrorists.
let's roll.
let's roll.
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lmd64 said:agreed, dean would have been a stronger candidate than kerry. but they didn;t like him... because he was too angry? some blame to be laid at the door of the democrats for (once again) not picking a strong enough candidate, perchance?
jane said:Okay, but you still haven't made it clear why you think it's more important to support Bush for his pro-life stance than to be against him as president for all the shit he's done. Especially since it seems, for you, also to cancel out the fact that Bush, as governor of Texas, executed more criminals than any other governor in history.
I believe in the sanctity of human life, which is why I believe I can be trusted to make decisions about my own body. Both of my parents are pro-choice, and they had two intelligent pro-choice kids, both of whom love children and want families of our own someday. We'd just like to make that decision for ourselves.
Why is being against my freedom of choice so much more important to you than feeding and housing the poor?
And you think that's a good way to choose a president? Just because a small fraction of voters do?ElderLemon said:I didn't imply that it was unfair that Kerry was 'wicked smaht' (You were saying something about my spelling?). What I said was that he originally had difficulty connecting with voters. A given rule of politics anywhere is that an intelligent politician who wears his intelligence easily will always play better with voters than an intelligent politician who likes to flex his intellectual muscles.
As I've said above, the exit polls showed 'moral issues' was the most important issue for 22% of all voters. In other words, 25 million voters yesterday cast their vote for George Bush or John Kerry due to their feelings on abortion, gay marriage or other 'moral issues'.
snakybus said:so what, so 22% of Americans are missing the point and playing into Bush's hands
it's your opinions that people are taking issue with here, not 22% of Americans - that's a separate debate
I think your theory is a good unElderLemon said:I have a theory about voter choice, and that is that there are two different models that people use when coming to a decision - a rational one or an emotional one.
People who use a rational model can't understand how some people can prioritise one of may issues above all others. Ditto, people who use an emotional model don't understand the need to consider all issues, and not just they could consider of fundamental importance.
Of course, that could be all bullshit, but that's my view of it anyway.
Actually, that's just where I'm currently registered. I spent my early years in a town that was about as right-wing as you are. My family was run out of our local (Catholic) church for our views on abortion, Ronald Reagan, and 'the blacks' (who were summarily run out of town if they even thought about moving there). Lots of lefty parents raise right wing kids, and vice-versa, so it's not a sufficient explanation for why I think the way I do.ElderLemon said:I have a theory about voter choice, and that is that there are two different models that people use when coming to a decision - a rational one or an emotional one.
People who use a rational model can't understand how some people can prioritise one of may issues above all others. Ditto, people who use an emotional model don't understand the need to consider all issues, and not just they could consider of fundamental importance.
Of course, that could be all bullshit, but that's my view of it anyway.
It's because it's who I am. I believe that abortion is intrinsically wrong; maybe it's because I was brought up a Catholic (although I'm no longer religious), maybe it's because I was brought up in rural Ireland. Either way, I became pro-life when I was a teenager, and have remained that way since.
As you said, you come from the leftiest county of the leftiest state, therefolre it was always more likely (though not of course inevitable) that you would be pro-choice.
jane said:And you think that's a good way to choose a president? Just because a small fraction of voters do?
So 78% voted for other reasons, then, didn't they?
Are you saying that George Bush 'wears his intelligence easily'? If so, where does he wear it?
Oh, and 'wicked smaht' is a Boston expression, and is spelled perfectly.
egg_ said:I think your theory is a good un
Presumably your model is the emotional one? Makes you easier to manipulate, I would think
You have as little knowledge of Bostonian as you do of any politics outside your own, which seem to centre entirely on abortion, and thus, women's bodies.ElderLemon said:It's not a better or worse way, it's simply a way. There's no point in railing against it. People have a vote, and can do with it as they please.
Yes 78% did. But 'moral issues' was the single most cited concern - albeit barely, I think Iraq and the economy were at 21% each. I can understand you not wanting to base your vote on 'moral issues'; but I can't understand why you rail against others that do.
I've very little knowledge of Bostonese, and so bow to your judgement.
jane said:You have as little knowledge of Bostonian as you do of any politics outside your own, which seem to centre entirely on abortion, and thus, women's bodies.
You know what they call people who are so obsessed with women's bodies that it seems to consume their every thought? Perverts.
I know you feel strongly about this issue, but you are getting way tojane said:You have as little knowledge of Bostonian as you do of any politics outside your own, which seem to centre entirely on abortion, and thus, women's bodies.
You know what they call people who are so obsessed with women's bodies that it seems to consume their every thought? Perverts.
This doesn't really make any sense.ElderLemon said:It's not a better or worse way, it's simply a way.
I really doubt that she'd get in. considering the vast amount of retarded evangelical pyschos..it seems we can look forward to a "god willing" massacre of the planet. so good then.Jim A. Morrish said:looks like Hilary in 2008 for the democrats
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