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Any quantification would be as reliable as the last polls predicting a Remain win. Or all the polls that missed a Tory landslide.
The only quantification that mattered happened on Thursday.
Not all of the electorate is on social media or giving interviews to the Beeb. There are many many people that live their lives quietly and vote their conscience.
They know the country longest. You can easily swap this around with youngs 'destroying' traditional marriage for the olds last May.
Democracy seems to have worked just fine to me.
I don't like the result one bit, but it doesn't surprise me and it seems to have been a fair process.
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тхеодоре кацзынски
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That he's opposed to the EU doesn't change the fact that he has a mandate from the people of South East England.
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yep, if only we could be more certain.
Anyway, whats done is done. It stinks, but its done. I really feel for Britain. I don't think its necessary any different from before this vote but it has brought to light the depth of division and the depth of fear/hatred that exists. Good luck to whoever has to try and fix that.
David Kronenbourg
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BROKEN BRITAIN!
Lads in the UK, did they not have an independent referendum commission sending an "In or Out" fact sheet and stuff in the post? All I'm reading now is dumbasses complaining about being lied to by Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson. Fucking d'uh.
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Fuckin nonsense referendum though. Not a single thing about it is legally binding. And the fact that article 50 hasn't been invoked would make you wonder if they'll go through with it at all.
I could never imagine something like that happening here. Hold a referendum that isn't really needed. One that will lead to such vitriol as to have half the country hating the other half. Then hope you can move along with a 'nothing to see here' attitude. Eejits.
I could never imagine something like that happening here. Hold a referendum that isn't really needed. One that will lead to such vitriol as to have half the country hating the other half. Then hope you can move along with a 'nothing to see here' attitude. Eejits.
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Petition: EU Referendum Rules triggering a 2nd EU Referendum
wait 10 seconds
refresh
repeat
look how fast that number is rising
will probably come to nought but you can kind of understand why
Petition: EU Referendum Rules triggering a 2nd EU Referendum
wait 10 seconds
refresh
repeat
look how fast that number is rising
will probably come to nought but you can kind of understand why
More fucking referendum nonsense to wait until after the referendum to put forward that idea!
We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum.
Is this a pre-existing rule or have they just made it up?
72% turnout is great, they can't say they didn't have a quorum
I understand the sentiment, but the people have spoken
2nd referendums are a bit Fianna Fail
Is this a pre-existing rule or have they just made it up?
72% turnout is great, they can't say they didn't have a quorum
I understand the sentiment, but the people have spoken
2nd referendums are a bit Fianna Fail
From the guardians comments section:
If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.
Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.
With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.
How?
Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.
And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew.
The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.
The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?
Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?
Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated.
If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.
The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.
When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.
All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.
If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.
Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.
With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.
How?
Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.
And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew.
The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.
The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?
Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?
Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated.
If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.
The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.
When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.
All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.
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nooleen
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тхеодоре кацзынски
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Sour grapes.
72% turnout is a touch over twice the turnout in the UK for the 2014 European elections and beats the average EU turnout in every election for the same.
The petition that matters was on Thursday, the rest is pissing in the wind.
nooleen
bad ape
i don't know what to think about all this
obviously there's schadenfreude towards bojo et al (and EU leaders too) but the end result is just going to be the most vulnerable people in britain getting fucked again while the economy lurches about
obviously there's schadenfreude towards bojo et al (and EU leaders too) but the end result is just going to be the most vulnerable people in britain getting fucked again while the economy lurches about
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