anyone got a fiddle? (4 Viewers)

[mc moley]

The idea of or term P.C. shouldn't come into it. There's probably more of your friends, acquaintances and relatives who have been raped and sexually assaulted than you'd possibly imagine,

so then why not give out to people when they say i'll 'kill' ya or ill 'murder' ya or i wish you were dead etc.....to be honest i was suprised ya went so parental on me earlier. it clearly wasnt in any sort of context other than total messin.
how is it grand to say some things an not others?

 

[Bill Shatner]

well anybody got one lyin around they dont use anymore? i'd like to buy it off ya!

Some scillacci has mine up on the roof

 

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I'm rather fond of the word cunt on the other hand I'd never use the word rape except in description of rape. That's not to say others can or can't use it just my two cents.

 

[Corm]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

FUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!

I just wrote a reall fuckin long reply to this and it got fuckin deleted FUCK maybe I'll do it tomorrow but I'm just pissed off now and it would just affect my thinking if I went through all thius again. Go and play at whatever you like, I won't get "parental" with you ever again.

 

[Shorty]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

FUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!

I just wrote a reall fuckin long reply to this and it got fuckin deleted FUCK maybe I'll do it tomorrow but I'm just pissed off now and it would just affect my thinking if I went through all thius again. Go and play at whatever you like, I won't get "parental" with you ever again.

Yeah, yeah, but you still love me, right? Right? RIIGGHHHTTT???

Corm?
Corm?
Corm?
....

 

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!bing Write them long replies in word or sumfink and then paste them in.

 

[oh shit]

The idea of or term P.C. shouldn't come into it. There's probably more of your friends, acquaintances and relatives who have been raped and sexually assaulted than you'd possibly imagine,

so then why not give out to people when they say i'll 'kill' ya or ill 'murder' ya or i wish you were dead etc.....to be honest i was suprised ya went so parental on me earlier. it clearly wasnt in any sort of context other than total messin.
how is it grand to say some things an not others?

in fairness, that's not a valid comparison.
corm wasn't being at all confrontational about this, i don't think you should be taking it personally.

how is it grand to say some things an not others?

luckily you can say whatever you want, just as corm or anyone else can say whatever they want in reply. it's a conversation, take what you want from it, like if for example you've considered the points made and still feel fine about the casual use of 'rape' then go right ahead.

let's just try and avoid a repetitive argument over it.

 

[oh shit]

back on topic:
my ma plays irish trad, she's got this really ancient fiddle that a friend found in a skip and restored, think it's now worth a coupla grand. bit like selmer amps turning up at car boot sales and being sold for 20 times more. worth pokin around for stuff.

 

[ed in mouth]

ok, i suppose what i was arguing was that the context was relevant, as in, i doubt anyone here is going to shudder at the thought of having their village plundered and their violins knicked.
and i completley understand that sensitivity ought to be heightened by some people, and also that it isnt an issue of being politically correct as its just common sense that the word can ring misery with some.
after thinking about this i suppose the reason i reacted initialy was that, well, its just how dara took it, and ross with the 'cocain sluts' etc... im not saying this applies to all or myself, but it seems that the method in which these issues are 'called on' bread misunderstandings and a slight bit of resent.
cant think of an alternative of course...

 

[mc moley]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

FUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!

I just wrote a reall fuckin long reply to this and it got fuckin deleted FUCK maybe I'll do it tomorrow but I'm just pissed off now and it would just affect my thinking if I went through all thius again. Go and play at whatever you like, I won't get "parental" with you ever again.

i aint givin out to ya....i just felt as though i was given out to for making a joke or what not.....my post before this wasnt agro, well i didnt mean for it to be.

 

[mc moley]

in fairness, that's not a valid comparison.
corm wasn't being at all confrontational about this, i don't think you should be taking it personally.



luckily you can say whatever you want, just as corm or anyone else can say whatever they want in reply. it's a conversation, take what you want from it, like if for example you've considered the points made and still feel fine about the casual use of 'rape' then go right ahead.

let's just try and avoid a repetitive argument over it.

look dudes everyones gettin mighty serious all of a sudden.....i know corm quite well and i know he wasnt attackin me....nor was i giving out to him....i just think its really silly to start things like this (which is obviously gonna happen) by calling people on things that are rediculous.
if ya read back to my controversial post i wasnt making a rape joke or saying rape is cool this weather or nothing it was just a word i used in jesture telling cormy im gonna get his banjo.....then it was made into this big deal.

 

[mac warzonescum]

Em, I was thinking it would be a 4-string, but I dunno...is it simply a matter of perference, or are there advantages to a 4-string over a 5-string other than (presumably) being easier to play? Does it take long to get going with it if you`re reasonably competant at guitar?

The two are pretty much completely different kettles of fish. The four string would probably be easy than the five, given that you claim to be reasonably proficient on the guitar: you'll just have to relearn left hand stuff, unlike a 5-string where you have to relearn both left and right.

The relevant question here is what kind of music you want to be playing.

 

[mc moley]

therefore i think its pointless 'calling' people on stuff like this cuz it just results in stupid internet debates. where people read or take things the wrong way.

 

[mc moley]

The two are pretty much completely different kettles of fish. The four string would probably be easy than the five, given that you claim to be reasonably proficient on the guitar: you'll just have to relearn left hand stuff, unlike a 5-string where you have to relearn both left and right.

The relevant question here is what kind of music you want to be playing.

from my understanding.....the five string is plucking more than one string at a time like finger picking or what not.
4 strings i think are more for melodies or chords......i think????

 

[mc moley]

im not saying this applies to all or myself, but it seems that the method in which these issues are 'called on' bread misunderstandings and a slight bit of resent.
cant think of an alternative of course...

id like to comment on this WITHOUT relating it to the recent comments of rape and rather to the way things are within the scene and things like this site as a whole.

i've always felt the need to do things right, just, fair...its a common theme within the music we listen to and our way of life....being vegitarian/vegan/pacifists/environmentalists (..ya know what im on about here..)
i've always felt that the fact we all choose to live this way is great. And it obviously a very personal chain of events....nobody forces you to turn into a millitant vegan straightedge person obviously.

but i always felt at the same time that the more a person gets into this kinda stuff there is an undercurrent that kind of suggests the more 'politically correct' you are the better or cooler you are.

(i know most of you are shudderin right now....seing as i turned this fiddle thread into a rape thread and now a dreaded PC thread but hear me out. im slowly going somewhere!!!)

i think that this buisness of calling people on stuff kinda adds to that undercurrent i was talking about. now dont get me wrong if someones fucking up a gig or hurting people or generaly being a negative force in the scene. they need to be 'called on' as such.
but saying that however i dont think i need to go calling damo on stuff if he puts a gig on for 7euro or i shouldnt give out to cormy for instance for holding a certain view (both these things are hypothetical by the way).
if someone is doing no harm and obviously messing why give out to them? perhaps i can refer to people gettin upset by ross' cocaine slut thing....now obviously there are exceptions. such as if someone is making racist jokes thats different for obvious reasons.
i feel that the way everyone is calling each other on little minor things is as eddy said very confrontational, or perhaps intrusive. it just leads to pissed off people.

i dont actually know where im going with this very long post but its done now and thats my two cents. hopefully it'll explain why i was a bit like 'ah lads' or whatever. anyway i aint pissed off with anyone and if anyone is pissed off at me thats grand, perhaps it'll just reiterate my point.

 

[Super Dexta]

Liadain does linguistics, what's a floating signifier?

TAKE YOUR SAUSSUREAN BULLSHIT OUT OF MY SIGHT, YOU HERETIC!!! PHILOSPHERS OUT OF LINGUISTICS!!!!!!

 

[ed in mouth]

that sed, and i support it, it wud be good if ppl thought about being a little more sensitive. to some ppl they are little things, and others they may be bigger etc... its all 'babylon speech' u no? it is an important thing to think about the way we use our language in the same way we promote our music, if u get me?

 

[oh shit]

look dudes everyones gettin mighty serious all of a sudden.....i know corm quite well and i know he wasnt attackin me....nor was i giving out to him....i just think its really silly to start things like this (which is obviously gonna happen) by calling people on things that are rediculous.
if ya read back to my controversial post i wasnt making a rape joke or saying rape is cool this weather or nothing it was just a word i used in jesture telling cormy im gonna get his banjo.....then it was made into this big deal.

i was referring to your post about 'why not call them on the murdering' thing, it just seemed like you were arguing back badly for no reason!

as for the 'calling' thing
yeah, it's total horseshit, i never signed up to obey anyone else's rules or standards about what i should think or say... that's what punk seemed to say to me anyway. morally superior scene police can fuck right off...

but i don't think that's actually what 95% of 'calls' are... it's all in how you perceive it, ya know? i know you're not referring to the rape comment, but cormy really wasn't trying to tell you what's right and wrong, he just made a point. you can choose to react to that, or choose to respond to it - there's a difference.

but when people do make more aggressive or confrontational 'calls', well 95% of those usually stem from their own hang ups or personal interests, so don't let it get your back up.

 

[nooleen]

but i always felt at the same time that the more a person gets into this kinda stuff there is an undercurrent that kind of suggests the more 'politically correct' you are the better or cooler you are.

i think that this buisness of calling people on stuff kinda adds to that undercurrent i was talking about. now dont get me wrong if someones fucking up a gig or hurting people or generaly being a negative force in the scene. they need to be 'called on' as such.

if someone is doing no harm and obviously messing why give out to them? perhaps i can refer to people gettin upset by ross' cocaine slut thing....now obviously there are exceptions. such as if someone is making racist jokes thats different for obvious reasons.
i feel that the way everyone is calling each other on little minor things is as eddy said very confrontational, or perhaps intrusive. it just leads to pissed off people.

if someone is making racist jokes that's different for obvious reasons? because 'everyone knows' that racism = bad but violence against women is only a 'little minor thing', it's only uppity overly PC women who'd get offended anyway. nothing a good hard ride wouldn't sort out. blah

 

[mac warzonescum]

from my understanding.....the five string is plucking more than one string at a time like finger picking or what not.
4 strings i think are more for melodies or chords......i think????

Not really. The five-string is normally played either with thumb and first two fingers of the right hand playing individual strings in continuous roll patterns (think of bluegrass) or with the back of the nail of the first or second finger striking down on either individual strings or brushing multiple strings with the thumb generally hanging on the drone string but sometimes dropping down to play other individual strings (think of American folk music). It is entirely possible to play melodies with either of these styles of playing (called 'Scruggs' style and 'Clawhammer' respectively) and those substyles which do specialise in melody playing on the 5 string are called 'Keith' or 'Reno' style in the bluegrass field and 'melodic clawhammer' in the folk field.

Four string is generally played with a flatpick either plucking individual strings for melody (think of the Irish tune playing) or strumming multiple strings for rhythm (think of 1920s jazz and skiffle music).

To further blur the distinction, the 5 string is infrequently played with a plectrum like the 4 string, but this is pretty rare as it doesn't really take advantage of the fifth string, and both 4 string and 5 string are sometimes played in the 'classical' style which grew popular in the 1890s and borrows heavily from classical guitar technique where thumb, index, middle and ring finger are used.