If the internal tory fight is the continual biggest england story sunak et al are on the pigs back.
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Yeah but fuck em. Lean into it. I got followed by security around shops like a piece of filth loads of times. It's funny when you force it.the ignominy of trying the 'scan as you shop' system in tesco for the second time ever, and being selected for a random check - and discovering you'd forgotten to scan a packet of loo roll. we're going to be on tesco's system as loo roll thieves for ever onwards.
not having much luck in tesco at the moment...
I dunno, man.It’s not absolution to point out that no country or group of people is immune to it. That’s not to accept it but to be really careful that we don’t accept it. Murder has always happened, we don’t give people (unless they’re really rich) a pass on it.
The Brits don’t get a pass on it just because there has always been conquering and pillaging but if we start sniffing our own self-righteous farts and thinking we’re better than them because we didn’t do it in the past 800 years (not because we were immune to it but because we were under the yoke), then that’s just as delusional as them excusing themselves because it was “proper” to take Johnny Foreigner’s things away “for safekeeping”.
Point is that we're very softened to the English and their ways.introducing historical context, saying one group of bastards aren't bastards purely because they happen to be born on a particular piece of rock, or have a miniscule piece of their genetic makeup different to the rest of humanity does not excuse their actions of bastardy.
I've agreed with you on many threads about the crimes of the british empire by the way, here (ireland) and elsewhere.
Point is that we're very softened to the English and their ways.
Yuval Harari reckons culture is the story we tell each other.
Every single day, we choose the stories the English tell themselves about themselves.
A lot of Ireland shops in English shops, follows English football teams, doggedly follow English politics, watch English TV stations, English TV shows, read English newspapers, watch English news, go to see English comedians, hear English voices on Irish radio advertisements and and all the rest of it. I mean it's almost neverending.
A lot of our choice of culture is that of a foreign country, a foreign culture.
Ireland is choosing every day to be more English. Like a dog that thinks it's people.
We'll jump down someone foreign's throat for asking if Ireland is in the UK, but culturally, we are desperately so.
We don't make the distinction ourselves in our daily lives.
To the point where Belfast seems more exotic to Dubs than London.
And all the while the English fuck us over hard on Brexit, the Legacy bill and could not give two single fucks about us in the micro or the macro.
I think it's hilarious that we have this glaring national blindspot about how very very English the country has become and it's almost never talked about.
I mean on the plus side, it might give the Unionists a little more comfort on a United Ireland, but fuck me, was it for this?
TL;DR Innit?
Not a free pass.I don’t think it equates fully to the brits getting a free pass though
Where dafuck you get that from?Not a free pass.
, that sees ourselves as slightly English or are at least very admiring of them,
We guzzle their cultureWhere dafuck you get that from?
We guzzle their culture
We're a nation with a huge population of functioning Anglophiles
I prefer The Fall to U2 and The Corrs.I'm in Ireland right now, and other than language, you are way off. Like, way fucking off.
Well, my experience is mostly in Dublin, with some time in Kerry, so we may have different experiencesI'm in Ireland right now, and other than language, you are way off. Like, way fucking off.
I get most of that but...Well, my experience is mostly in Dublin, with some time in Kerry, so we may have different experiences
But I still see mostly English newspapers at every newsagent, Sky on in every pub, stories about English politics on Irish news. Tell me what's happening in France and Germany, countries I'm in a goddamn union with. But they put this shit on cos we care what happens in England and we don't care what happens in France. Cos deep down, we identify with the English. We see ourselves in them.
Case in point there was a puff piece on Brendan O'Connor this morning about Christmas #2 songs
And it's all about songs that made #2 in the UK, but they never say that once.
Just "the Christmas #1" and "the Christmas #2" - 'the' in this case is an unspoken 'English' - and the guest is talking about all the cultural shifts that affected this, Mr. Blobby novelty songs and X-Factor winners and so on, like we have any hand, act or part in it.
We don't.
But she's talking about it like it's some shared cultural experience.
It's not. It's something that happens in the UK. Their cultural shifts and mores and moods move their charts.
A couple times, she said as an aside that such and such a song got to #1 "in Ireland", which by tone you could tell meant this particular fact mattered about fuck all. What happens here doesn't matter, what happens in the UK does.
Treating a foreign cultural event as if it was our own.
Dogs thinking they're people as I said.
It was bizarre,
And it's everywhere.
I sincerely and genuinely hope you are having a good trip home and are surrounded by people who love you and show you so.
You're a good man.
Well, my experience is mostly in Dublin, with some time in Kerry, so we may have different experiences
But I still see mostly English newspapers at every newsagent, Sky on in every pub, stories about English politics on Irish news. Tell me what's happening in France and Germany, countries I'm in a goddamn union with. But they put this shit on cos we care what happens in England and we don't care what happens in France. Cos deep down, we identify with the English. We see ourselves in them.
Case in point there was a puff piece on Brendan O'Connor this morning about Christmas #2 songs
And it's all about songs that made #2 in the UK, but they never say that once.
Just "the Christmas #1" and "the Christmas #2" - 'the' in this case is an unspoken 'English' - and the guest is talking about all the cultural shifts that affected this, Mr. Blobby novelty songs and X-Factor winners and so on, like we have any hand, act or part in it.
We don't.
But she's talking about it like it's some shared cultural experience.
It's not. It's something that happens in the UK. Their cultural shifts and mores and moods move their charts.
A couple times, she said as an aside that such and such a song got to #1 "in Ireland", which by tone you could tell meant this particular fact mattered about fuck all. What happens here doesn't matter, what happens in the UK does.
Treating a foreign cultural event as if it was our own.
Dogs thinking they're people as I said.
It was bizarre,
And it's everywhere.
I sincerely and genuinely hope you are having a good trip home and are surrounded by people who love you and show you so.
You're a good man.
and we do their language better than they doI'm in Ireland right now, and other than language, you are way off. Like, way fucking off.
I think I'd rather hang out with three of the four Corrs than with Mark E Smith, but that's for that other thread.I prefer The Fall to U2 and The Corrs.
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