Water Charges (2 Viewers)

[pete]

Badge of honour in some circles.

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

One of the councillors is on Joe Duffy right now

 

[ann post]

The meter guys are about 4 doors from my house.

I didn't get any letter.

 

[Unknown Convict]

by dint of getting themselves locked up, at least murphy and co managed to elevate the level and quality of the discourse for a few hours, but not enough to keep finian mcgrath off the airwaves. had to laugh at the hypocrisy of him complaining that the 6-man arrest squad was a waste of garda time and resources. no mention of the time and resources required to police a self-styled peaceful protest. should've done a daniel chong on murphy and just paid the compo.

 

[nooleen]

had to laugh at the hypocrisy of him complaining that the 6-man arrest squad was a waste of garda time and resources. no mention of the time and resources required to police a self-styled peaceful protest.

being at gatherings to oversee public order is part of their job. arresting protestors 3 months after an incident, only to release them without charge, is clearly a waste of time and resources. you'd think with three months to work on it they could figure out whether or not they had something to charge them with.

 

[rettucs]

being at gatherings to oversee public order is part of their job. arresting protestors 3 months after an incident, only to release them without charge, is clearly a waste of time and resources. you'd think with three months to work on it they could figure out whether or not they had something to charge them with.

a file was sent to the DPP which means its something very flaky and its up to them to decide if theres a case worth pursuing.

At least thats what I read into things when I hear the phrase, 'a file has been sent to the DPP'.

 

[Unknown Convict]

At least thats what I read into things when I hear the phrase, 'a file has been sent to the DPP'.

murder case files e.g. get sent to dpp all the time. just means they get to decide whether to prosecute i.e. sufficient evidence etc.

 

[Unknown Convict]

At least thats what I read into things when I hear the phrase, 'a file has been sent to the DPP'.

Does the DPP investigate crimes?
No. Crimes are investigated by the Garda Síochána. When the Gardaí investigate a serious crime, they send a file to the DPP who decides what charges, if any, to bring.

About Us - The Role of the DPP - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions

 

[Scientician 0.8]

I can't link to YT but someone put Murphy up talking on George Hook. He held his corner well I thought.

 

[therealjohnny]

Yeah, I heard this earlier. Fuck George Hook and his crude and obvious attempt to get one over on Paul Murphy

 

[nooleen]

george hook sounds like a camply moronic sketch show character

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[Unknown Convict]

being at gatherings to oversee public order is part of their job. arresting protestors 3 months after an incident, only to release them without charge, is clearly a waste of time and resources. you'd think with three months to work on it they could figure out whether or not they had something to charge them with.

riot squad? yeah sure.

synchronised garda interviews in respect of multiple suspects facing serious allegations are never done by appointment. murphy is not just a protester but an instigator who, by his own admission, was "elected to break the law" and yesterday was a consequence of that. thought he'd wear it with honour rather than moaning about it.

re 3 months, that's the blink of an eye in terms of the pace of justice. you don't get it fast, you get it right.

they haven't been cleared, nor yet charged. it's not the garda's job to decide whether they have something to charge them with, but to assemble evidence which is what yesterday was about. murphy is already a martyr to his supporters and a self-serving, silver-spoon socialist puppet to me and many others. yesterday didn't change anything.

 

[Unknown Convict]

Fuck George Hook

i can get behind this sentiment. he's a fool. did murphy face any proper, interrogating journos?

 

[nooleen]

riot squad? yeah sure.

do you think there was a riot happening in jobstown?

synchronised garda interviews in respect of multiple suspects facing serious allegations are never done by appointment. murphy is not just a protester but an instigator who, by his own admission, was "elected to break the law" and yesterday was a consequence of that. thought he'd wear it with honour rather than moaning about it.

elected to break the law by not paying water taxes and encouraging others to do the same. i don't believe that was a statement of intent to break every law he can get his hands on.
if you think that's a basis for arresting someone he could be arrested for literally anything.
"sarge, there's been a murder! we have no leads, what'll we do?"
"arrest paul murphy; he said he was elected to break the law and murdering is against the law so it might have been him."

re 3 months, that's the blink of an eye in terms of the pace of justice. you don't get it fast, you get it right.

this isn't some labyrinthine criminal plot that needs to be unpicked by a crack team of lawyers and forensic experts; it's some people standing or sitting around a car, with dozens of witnesses including gardai, not to mention multiple recordings.

they haven't been cleared, nor yet charged. it's not the garda's job to decide whether they have something to charge them with, but to assemble evidence which is what yesterday was about.

so who decided that there's something which needs investigating?

murphy is already a martyr to his supporters and a self-serving, silver-spoon socialist puppet to me and many others. yesterday didn't change anything.

it changed the idea that you can attend a protest without being arrested.

 

[rettucs]

so who decided that there's something which needs investigating?

JB made a complaint, didn't she?

As far as I know, once the complaint is made, the gardai are obliged to follow up. Once the interviews have been completed and the evidence reviewed, its up to the sergeant (possibly the inspector) in charge of the investigation who will decide whether to refer the file to the DPP.

A decision can be made at that level not to proceed but I'd say in this case, given how high-profile the events in jobstown are, theres no way this wasn't being referred.

I base the above garda knowledge on prior experience where some little scrote made an assault complaint about a friend of mine. I was present at the time and no assault took place. I gave a statement and thats how it was explained to me. The garda who interviewed me said that his sergeant would ultimately decide whether the findings of the investigation would be referred onwards.

 

[nooleen]

i don't know if she made a complaint. the only reference i can find is that she was asked by the guards to give a statement.

 

[Scientician 0.8]

Murphy gets called self-serving, careerist, furthering his political career etc. for attempting to defend the rights and interests of those who elected him. Is it because he's left wing that he seems uniquely singled out for something that is presumably essential to all politicians, for all of history? What would a selfless politician look like?

The "silver-spoon" comments are beneath contempt and utterly irrelevant as to his efficacy as a public representative. It's somewhat akin to judging someone on their skin colour, something utterly out of the person's control is used to disparage them. If you don't like his politics or how he goes about it, fine, but leave the classism at the door.

 

[rettucs]

Murphy gets called self-serving, careerist, furthering his political career etc. for attempting to defend the rights and interests of those who elected him. Is it because he's left wing that he seems uniquely singled out for something that is presumably essential to all politicians, for all of history? What would a selfless politician look like?

The "silver-spoon" comments are beneath contempt and utterly irrelevant as to his efficacy as a public representative. It's somewhat akin to judging someone on their skin colour, something utterly out of the person's control is used to disparage them. If you don't like his politics or how he goes about it, fine, but leave the classism at the door.

fuck that shit. I had a run-in with him. Hes a wanker. Out and out fucking wanker.

 

[nooleen]

spill

 

[hermie]

fuck that shit. I had a run-in with him. Hes a wanker. Out and out fucking wanker.

Care to elaborate?