US politics (6 Viewers)

[hydromancer]

I am so much looking forward to not following this election.

 

[David Kronenbourg]

Hahahaha

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[flashback]

I'm not too sure what you're angry at here. If i recall her book correctly I remember thinking she was far too kind to silicon valley types in it and not scorching the earth enough, but I gave her a pass because I figured she's also writing for Americans. Hard arguments against capitalism can be found elsewhere but America over 40 is too stuck in the financialized system to listen to them ("WHAT ABOUT STALIN? CHECK MATE. THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE."). I don't especially care about the TED talk because it's a TED talk.

I mean, i'm not an economist but my laymans understanding of quantitative easing is that it makes the rich richer (we did not give freshly printed money to the poor after 2008, we handed it back to the people who caused the crisis in the first place), which is why it's seen as a lovely solution by those with their hands on the levers of power every-time capitalism fails - it forces austerity on the poorest; who are acutely aware that no matter what is "underneath" the veneer, if they don't have enough of it this month then they're out on the street.

I'm not all that angry. She means well. I get annoyed with economists in general. They come up with hypotheses, generally sounding very like Kipling's "Just So" stories, and retrofit them into test cases in the past.
Like, not even like the AI and the machine learning guys who have a tendency to train on bias datasets and overfit their prediction are anywhere near that bad, economists straight up go back in time to cherry pick a scenario that suits their hypothesis, apply their model (knowing the outcome) and then claim it's proved.

I don't know. They rub me the wrong way, even if I agree with what they're saying, because it's all hopelessly unprovable. They make these grand vague fortune teller-ey predictions, get huge plaudits, and the one time in a hundred they're "proven correct" guarantees them a lifetime of after dinner speeches at country clubs.

I've more respect for the methodologies of those horrible predatory quants and microtraders than economists.

 

[flashback]

Hahahaha

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The lad knows how to troll.

Gotta hand it to him.

edit - what's interesting is he has dropped everyone to his level. Pelosi tearing up his speech for the cameras is a nice demonstration. She'd never have done that a few years ago.

I'm assuming that turning everybody into reality TV drama queens is a bad thing? I don't really know. If that's what it takes to get cunts out to vote maybe it's not.

 

[Lili Marlene]

I'm not all that angry. She means well. I get annoyed with economists in general. They come up with hypotheses, generally sounding very like Kipling's "Just So" stories, and retrofit them into test cases in the past.
Like, not even like the AI and the machine learning guys who have a tendency to train on bias datasets and overfit their prediction are anywhere near that bad, economists straight up go back in time to cherry pick a scenario that suits their hypothesis, apply their model (knowing the outcome) and then claim it's proved.

I don't know. They rub me the wrong way, even if I agree with what they're saying, because it's all hopelessly unprovable. They make these grand vague fortune teller-ey predictions, get huge plaudits, and the one time in a hundred they're "proven correct" guarantees them a lifetime of after dinner speeches at country clubs.

I've more respect for the methodologies of those horrible predatory quants and microtraders than economists.

Economists make decisions that destroy entire countries, you may hate them but you need them fighting the fight on the left as well, otherwise you end up with, well, what we have now.

 

[Lili Marlene]

Anyway, I see their attempt to paint Sanders win in Iowa as a lose is finally falling apart 3 days later. It'll never be provable but yes there is a conspiracy against him and they're willing to throw the entire system under the bus to defeat him.

 

[hermie]

Anyway, I see their attempt to paint Sanders win in Iowa as a lose is finally falling apart 3 days later. It'll never be provable but yes there is a conspiracy against him and they're willing to throw the entire system under the bus to defeat him.

What's the conspiracy? What are they actually doing?

I can't believe it's still going on in Iowa. Nothing between them

 

[Lili Marlene]

What's the conspiracy? What are they actually doing?

I can't believe it's still going on in Iowa. Nothing between them
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A) Not releasing the last poll, historically "the most important poll of the entire season", Bernie was winning on it.
B) Not releasing the votes and blaming an app.
C) When they do start releasing them they do so in such a way that the "winner" appears to be Pete Buttigieg.
D) Nothing between them except that Sanders won the votes by a long shot and they have the same amount of delegates at the end - only if you take the inbetween vote does it appear that Pete is winning, except by the looks of how the final tally is panning out he's not, and when 100% of the vote is in this will be clear, but they've got 3 days of a "Pete winning" newscycle out of it.

A whole load of unforseen fuckups that all work against Bernie, total coincidence of course.

It's fine, the DSA will cheat, and the Bernie team have been prepared for it and have sailed through on the assumption that the DSA will cheat, but it's amazing to see how much of their precious voting structure they're willing to burn down as they do it. If a South American or Middle Eastern country pulled this the USA would be bombing them right now

 

[Denny Oubidoux]

I wonder if President Sanders's regime will be subject to a crippling sanctions policy driven by the United States and its allies in order to restore democracy.

 

[Lili Marlene]

Hahahaha

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this is so good though.

 

[Unicron]

A) Not releasing the last poll, historically "the most important poll of the entire season", Bernie was winning on it.
B) Not releasing the votes and blaming an app.
C) When they do start releasing them they do so in such a way that the "winner" appears to be Pete Buttigieg.
D) Nothing between them except that Sanders won the votes by a long shot and they have the same amount of delegates at the end - only if you take the inbetween vote does it appear that Pete is winning, except by the looks of how the final tally is panning out he's not, and when 100% of the vote is in this will be clear, but they've got 3 days of a "Pete winning" newscycle out of it.

A whole load of unforseen fuckups that all work against Bernie, total coincidence of course.

It's fine, the DSA will cheat, and the Bernie team have been prepared for it and have sailed through on the assumption that the DSA will cheat, but it's amazing to see how much of their precious voting structure they're willing to burn down as they do it. If a South American or Middle Eastern country pulled this the USA would be bombing them right now

DSA are the democratic socialists of america.

DNC are the Democratic national committee

 

[Lili Marlene]

DSA are the democratic socialists of america.

DNC are the Democratic national committee

LOL sorry, got my acronyms mixed up. Good catch. For DSA read DNC.

Guess my political pundit career is over. Cancelled again.

 

[Lili Marlene]

BTW, my entire investment in this - aside from it being the right thing - is that Ireland will dutifully follow whatever happens in the USA because christ we're awful at doing anything off our own bat.

I also wonder what would happen with all the silicon valley companies in Ireland if Sanders came to power.

 

[hermie]

But how did he win by a long shot if 96% of the voting still has Pete marginally ahead? What am I missing?

 

[Lili Marlene]

But how did he win by a long shot if 96% of the voting still has Pete marginally ahead? What am I missing?

well I might be overselling a long shot but right now this is how many final votes Bernie got:
44,753
and this is how many Pete got:
42,235

So Pete isn't ahead and Bernie is winning.

You want to count "delegate equivalents" that's fine, it looks like Bernie is about to win that as well.

Caucuses suck and are undemocratic and this monumental fuckup will hopefully be end of them, another Bernie victory!

 

[egg_]

I also wonder what would happen with all the silicon valley companies in Ireland if Sanders came to power.

Has he some kind of policy on this? I'd be surprised if anything happened, whoever's in the white house

 

[Lili Marlene]

Has he some kind of policy on this? I'd be surprised if anything happened, whoever's in the white house

Yeah,

Fair Trade | Bernie Sanders Official Website

We need a trade policy that benefits American workers and creates living-wage jobs, not unfair trade agreements written by multi-national corporations.

berniesanders.com

What would actually happen is of course a whole different thing.

 

[Unicron]

Yeah,

Fair Trade | Bernie Sanders Official Website

We need a trade policy that benefits American workers and creates living-wage jobs, not unfair trade agreements written by multi-national corporations.

berniesanders.com

What would actually happen is of course a whole different thing.

Republicans will still control the senate after November and a lot of the blue surge in the house in the last midterms, for all the attention Omar/Ocasio Cortez etc got in the media a lot of the Democratic Party gains were from fairly centrist candidates. He wouldn't get anything on it through

 

[Lili Marlene]

Yes but you don't win by campaigning on never being able to achieve anything. In this specific case, you get in, show you can do a certain amount of stuff with your hands tied and then you win the midterms. Most of his policies are remarkably popular anyway, who knows what might happen.

 

[ann post]

We'd probably have to stop shipping wholesale accountability for our jobs market to external forces and stop being fake rich.