The Russian invasion of Ukraine (3 Viewers)

[seanc]

a purge in the teeth of a counter offensive will hardly help them militarily either...

Never did Stalin any harm.

 

[flashback]

Never did Stalin any harm.

Lubrication time

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[JohnnyRaz]

Alternative view as to how this has played out for putin…

The failed Wagner coup shows Vladimir Putin’s regime remains stubbornly strong | Anatol Lieven

The Russian leader’s show of mercy towards Yevgeny Prigozhin was a shrewd move, says Anatol Lieven of the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft

www.theguardian.com

 

[taubstumm]

Alternative view as to how this has played out for putin…

The failed Wagner coup shows Vladimir Putin’s regime remains stubbornly strong | Anatol Lieven

The Russian leader’s show of mercy towards Yevgeny Prigozhin was a shrewd move, says Anatol Lieven of the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft

www.theguardian.com

this was... actually pretty solid. rare to see an opinion article about ukraine in the guardian that actually provides useful and practical insight — they’re usually extremely ideological when it comes to anything regarding russia

 

[taubstumm]

for what it’s worth, this was by far the best thing I read about the whole saga. some dude on substack. he’s seemingly some kind of russian orthodox religious guy but his analysis is genuinely helpful if you’re actually trying to get a handle on things.

Russo-Ukrainian War: The Wagner Uprising

Yevgeny Prigozhin's Wild Ride

bigserge.substack.com

 

[pete]

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[Denny Oubidoux]

There was an interesting podcast with Anatol Lieven the other day that covers similar ground to that guardian article plus other general stuff about Russia, Putin, Wagner etc

Radio War Nerd EP 384 — Prigozhin's Mutiny, feat. Anatol Lieven

Co-hosts Gary Brecher & Mark Ames

www.podbean.com

 

[JohnnyRaz]

this was... actually pretty solid. rare to see an opinion article about ukraine in the guardian that actually provides useful and practical insight — they’re usually extremely ideological when it comes to anything regarding russia

the truth is somewhere in the mix of all the biases.... for stuff like this we generally don't find out until long afterwards what actually went on.

there was another article there earlier this week suggesting that Lukashenko was used as the face to avoid Putin being seen to negotiate directly, and that the actual negotiations were carried out by an close aide of Putin.. which again points to a more calculated response to the crisis.

I don't 100% buy that Putin is stronger after all this though

 

[Kermit McDermott]

Putin should put out a new batch of shirtless action man pictures to show his strength.

 

[JohnnyRaz]

Putin should put out a new batch of shirtless action man pictures to show his strength.

The patriarch of St Petersburg is rubbing the holy oil on his taut torso as we type...

 

[Kermit McDermott]

New Putin pic released

 

[JohnnyRaz]

New Putin pic released

there's a monster riff about mother russia about to explode...

 

[GARYXKNIFEDX]

there's a monster riff about mother russia about to explode...

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( Terrible song though)

 

[Kermit McDermott]

Its one of the few songs I like off that album.

 

[seanc]

Got them balalaika blues.

 

[GARYXKNIFEDX]

Its one of the few songs I like off that album.

Was gonna suggest Satellite from the first record ( fucking great song!!) But he doesn't play on it

 

[Deadmanposting]

I don't 100% buy that Putin is stronger after all this though

Right
That guy's take is basically "Putin plays absolute blinder"
Which I guess the Quincy Institute gets to say

He got this right though
the innate savagery and violence of the Russian national tradition.
Fucking hellhole of misery that place.

 

[nuke terrorist]

New Putin pic released

Jah Wobble is another one.
He's part Russian and by his own admission looks like Putin.

 

[Deadmanposting]

the innate savagery and violence of the Russian national tradition.

This is Russia

‘Some never came back’: how Russians hunted down veterans of Donbas conflict

Exclusive: Ukrainians who fought against separatists tell of kidnap and torture by invaders; the fate of hundreds of others is a mystery

www.theguardian.com

 

[ann post]

‘He lived by the troll, he dies by the troll’: Putin takes on Prigozhin’s business empire

Kremlin appears to gain control of Wagner warlord’s troll farms as Patriot media operations shut down

www.theguardian.com