The Household Charge (2 Viewers)

[rettucs]

I just get fed of insinuation that everything is controlled by eirigi or shinners and thought you were from that stable.

nope. I'm just someone who gets annoyed when I take a certain viewpoint on something and then it becomes somewhat taboo or unpopular because of shinners or eirigi. That really gets my goat.

Though I'm softening somewhat towards shinners I will admit.

 

[Psycho Punk]

nope. I'm just someone who gets annoyed when I take a certain viewpoint on something and then it becomes somewhat taboo or unpopular because of shinners or eirigi. That really gets my goat.

Though I'm softening somewhat towards shinners I will admit.

I'll leave your goat alone, no kidding.

I'm hardening towards the shinners, they're becoming too nice. They wear suits.

 

[Psycho Punk]

ok fair enough. I suppose I'm speaking for myself.

I speak for the masses. Their views are channelled through me.

Ah, ha ha ha ha ha, I'll kill them all!

 

[ann post]

nope. I'm just someone who gets annoyed when I take a certain viewpoint on something and then it becomes somewhat taboo or unpopular because of shinners or eirigi. That really gets my goat.

thats an awful problem we have here. i can understand it because i'm guilty of doing same. it extends beyond shinners too. we are still a clannish tribal nation, we wont stand together on issues on the basis of what tribe is represented by what policy. its an absolute walkover for ze germans to put our sovereignty in a timeshare because of it. nobody wants this shit, but nobody wants to be seen to be too aligned with another local tribe either.

 

[rettucs]

nobody wants this shit, but nobody wants to be seen to be too aligned with another local tribe either.

well put. That about hits the nail on the head

 

[Psycho Punk]

well put. That about hits the nail on the head

While I'm involved in campaigns, I'm not a member of any political party or group.

I think I'm a Libertarian Socialist, not quite an Anarchist, I vote in elections and campaigned for an independent last year.

 

[rettucs]

I think I'm a Libertarian Socialist

what I am has no name

 

[rettucs]

I went to pay this just now and it told me there was nothing outstanding on my property

sound

I wonder if its cos I put in a slightly different address to the one they matched it to in the database. I kind of did that on purpose.

 

[rettucs]

yea thats what it was

fuck anyways

can't wait til the next election

 

[nooleen]

what I am has no name

a prick?

j/k lol

what's all this new hoo-ha about college grants being withheld now, is it nonsense or what

 

[тхеодоре кацзынски]

Seems to be true.Pretty effective mechanism for ensuring people pay up in fairness.

 

[rettucs]

a prick?

j/k lol

what's all this new hoo-ha about college grants being withheld now, is it nonsense or what

govt are washing their hands of it though. They're saying its the local councils that are deciding to do this at their level.

 

[Psycho Punk]

As far as I understand it, in order to qualify for a grant you have to satisfy the conditions of the scheme which are;

1. Nationality/Immigration Status.
2. Residence.
3. Means.

I'd certainly be asking the council to produce the relevant documentation that apparently altered the conditions of the grant.

 

[Psycho Punk]

Got this from Politics.ie

Eligibility exclusions to the grant under (SI 305 2011) are;

13. (1) A student or a tuition student is not eligible for a grant if he or she already holds a grant from an awarding authority.
(2) A student or tuition student is not eligible for a grant if he or she has been awarded or holds any grant, scholarship, prize, allowance, bursary or award of similar description made from public funds in the State, or equivalent from a Member State, a contracting state to the EEA Agreement or the Swiss Confederation, in respect of the approved course being attended.
(3). The awards from public funds referred to in paragraph (2) do not include the following—
(a) awards such as scholarships, prizes or bursaries, made by the institution being attended;
(b) postgraduate research awards where the stipend portion of the award does not exceed a specified amount, which for the relevant academic year, is specified to be €16,000;
(c) awards to applicants under the Student Assistance Fund or the Fund for Students with Disabilities;
(d) Easter Week Scholarship Scheme;
(e) Donogh O’Malley Scholarship Scheme;
(f) All Ireland Scholarship Scheme; and
(g) Science Foundation Ireland/Dell Scholarship for Young Women in Engineering.

(4) A student or tuition student in receipt of any award mentioned in paragraph (3) which includes a provision for fees will not be eligible for a fee grantunder this Scheme.
(5) A student is not eligible for a maintenance grant if he or she is in receipt of the Back to Education Allowance (BTEA) or Vocational Training Opportunities Scheme (VTOS) allowance, except in the case of a student in receipt of the BTEA or VTOS allowance and the maintenance grant in 2009/10 who is progressing to an approved add-on course, as defined in the Regulations, at Level 8 of the framework of qualifications, without a break in studies.
(6) A student coming within the exception referred to in paragraph (5) may continue to hold either the BTEA or VTOS allowance in conjunction with the maintenance grant for the duration of the add-on course.
(7) Notwithstanding paragraph (5), a student or tuition student in receipt of the BTEA or VTOS allowance is eligible to apply for the fee grant elements, where he or she is pursuing a course in respect of which fee grants are payable.

Take note, there is nothing in the statutory provisions that deems non-payment of the household charge as an "eligibility exclusion" to the student grant! Schedule 5 also deals with the "documentary evidence" that has to be submitted with the grant which you'll also note doesn't include payment of the household charge (Pg. 41-44 of the below link)!

Put simply, Clare Co.Co and any other council that attempts this maneouvre is in statutory breach of the regulations that governs the student grant scheme!
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/pdf/2011/en.si.2011.0305.pdf

 

[ann post]

the household charge is just a really stupid way to try and grab 100 euro. petrol and booze will take 100 quid off most people in a few weeks in tax.

Also been thinking that i'd pay it if they had the balls to itemize it honestly, expect to exchange a few letters about that before the year is out, like my phone bill is, and like receipts for most things are

10 eu street maintenance.
90 eu being the fall guy that stopped the euro collapsing.

 

[magicbastarder]

how many people who apply for 3rd level grants would have any say in paying of the household charge?

 

[тхеодоре кацзынски]

The minority one would imagine.

The real question is-which is the fairest way to set it?The current mood seems to be as a percentage of the value of the property which is unfair to people in urban areas.
Another would be rebuild cost of the house which would seem to me anyway to be most equitable even though it does have its flaws.

 

[pete]

The minority one would imagine.

The real question is-which is the fairest way to set it?The current mood seems to be as a percentage of the value of the property which is unfair to people in urban areas.
Another would be rebuild cost of the house which would seem to me anyway to be most equitable even though it does have its flaws.

reinstatement cost is good enough for calculating house insurance premiums...

 

[тхеодоре кацзынски]

Well that's a side benefit-the information for most houses is already available and potentially the charge could be just tacked onto insurance where applicable.

 

[pete]

number of windows was good enough in the past