RAG Party this Sat 10th Nov (2 Viewers)

[Shorty]

Also, I'm still trying to come up with some sort of witticism for the RAG picture of the two brazilian girls on the see saw looking at Owensie and saying how that kids mother looks like a hairy man. Help us out Oly.

 

[nooleen]

I think this is a very important point.

Whether it's as a result of socialisation, shrewd calculation, inherent gender traits, or whatever, as with many other things, women are just as capable asf men of any and all types of thought and behaviour, except that it takes different forms (often radically different forms). I've spent a lot of time & effort reading, writing & talking about gender and specifically sexual-intercourse-related issues with a lot of men and women over the last 4 years, and it's gradually come to light to me that whereas it is fair to generalise in terms of men being more physically coercive in regard to sex, women do the same things in a much more furtive and insidious manner. I'm talking about things like self-consciously manipulating people, encouraging and precipitating unsafe sex in order to gain power over somebody, etc. I think this is based on the contemporary form sexual power has for women, and also how men and women think very differently about and have very different physical relationships to sexual intercourse.

If these comments seem dodgy, remember that I'm not trying to provoke, I'm just trying to promote dialogue about issues that can't be ignored.

i don't know if 'insidious' is the most useful word, but maybe i don't appreciate that (more dishonest/agenda-driven) side of female sexuality because that's not how i behave. there are aspects of my sexuality that i'm not comfortable with - sometimes i don't say what i want, and sometimes i'm insensitive to the needs of my partner - but i think overall i'm pretty straight up sexually. i don't think the idea of women being 'furtive', 'insidious' or manipulative is applicable to the majority of the punk scene, whereas mainstream male behaviours do seem to carry over. i have been uncomfortable with some behaviour of many (most?) people i've been with but not known how to deal with it. is it 'just the way things are' or is it something that can be changed?

 

[nooleen]

Where did i say that? Of course not.
But the written piece in RAG surely said that if someone has been "tarred" with an accusation to be careful/wary of them.
I actually agreed with #51

that's a fair point, it's a pretty shit deal for anyone unfairly accused. i didn't see what you were saying from the first post.

 

[the strange guy]

Of course I don't care whether RAG is female or not, I'm just stating an unrequested opinion, in the true spirit of Eirecore!

I said meetings can't be anarchist? I've been asked about that before! From what I remember there was a thread about anarchists hunting and beating some Stormfronters. I said that anarchists who act like self-appointed Judge Dreads can't truly believe in freedom of speech seeing as they monitor what people say and enforce what they don't want to hear by force. If this society offers more freedom of speech than an anarchist utopia, I'll choose this one any day. Someone replied with an example of how a meeting has to be monitored and enforced in order for it to run smoothly. Here we're fucking with semantics again, it's the difference between administrating a group of people and finding out who's going to get the slaps next. Anyway, this is off topic.

You haven't met anyone who thinks that gender=culture? They're rare but they somehow found me on at least three occasions, Doyler being the first. But I still love him. Don't get him started about fair-trade though.

 

[Shorty]

Of course I don't care whether RAG is female or not, I'm just stating an unrequested opinion, in the true spirit of Eirecore!

I said meetings can't be anarchist? I've been asked about that before! From what I remember there was a thread about anarchists hunting and beating some Stormfronters. I said that anarchists who act like self-appointed Judge Dreads can't truly believe in freedom of speech seeing as they monitor what people say and enforce what they don't want to hear by force. If this society offers more freedom of speech than an anarchist utopia, I'll choose this one any day. Someone replied with an example of how a meeting has to be monitored and enforced in order for it to run smoothly. Here we're fucking with semantics again, it's the difference between administration and dealing slaps. Anyway, this is off topic.

You haven't met anyone who thinks that gender=culture? They're rare but they somehow found me on at least three occasions, Doyler being the first. But I still love him. Don't get him started about fair-trade though.

Most of my reply was tongue in cheek as per usual anyway. I'll talk to you in person next time I see you just didn't want to miss the chance to goad you online slip by. Off to this gig now.

 

[Corm]

i don't know if 'insidious' is the most useful word, but maybe i don't appreciate that (more dishonest/agenda-driven) side of female sexuality because that's not how i behave. there are aspects of my sexuality that i'm not comfortable with - sometimes i don't say what i want, and sometimes i'm insensitive to the needs of my partner - but i think overall i'm pretty straight up sexually. i don't think the idea of women being 'furtive', 'insidious' or manipulative is applicable to the majority of the punk scene, whereas mainstream male behaviours do seem to carry over. i have been uncomfortable with some behaviour of many (most?) people i've been with but not known how to deal with it. is it 'just the way things are' or is it something that can be changed?

Yeah, insidious probably isn't the best or most productive way to put it, but there again, my notion of it has been negatively influenced by my experiences of it. At least four such experiences I've had have been with right-on/punk girls, it's just a hell of a lot more subtle and hard to figure out than common-or-garden variety male slobbering. But fucking terrifying when you realise what someone's up to or has done.

 

[Corm]

You haven't met anyone who thinks that gender=culture? They're rare but they somehow found me on at least three occasions, Doyler being the first. But I still love him. Don't get him started about fair-trade though.

Yeah, I went out with a girl who thought this. We'd some "interesting" "discussions". But then again, she thought she was lesbian, too. That was before I came along.

 

[the strange guy]

Most of my reply was tongue in cheek as per usual anyway. I'll talk to you in person next time I see you just didn't want to miss the chance to goad you online slip by. Off to this gig now.

Outted as a self-important internet hermit... AGAIN!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

 

[taubstumm]

(Stephen Doyle, I'm looking at you)

weirdly enough, i was talking to mr. doyle about these very things earlier this year

 

[nooleen]

arf arf blah blah. let's not actually address any issues, whatever we do. so what does everyone think of the weather recently?

 

[pete]

weirdly enough, i was talking to mr. doyle about these very things earlier this year

the last time i spoke with doyle, not only could he not tell me where to buy a Wispa - HE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THEY'D BEEN OFF THE MARKET.

fucksake like.

 

[taubstumm]

the last time i spoke with doyle, not only could he not tell me where to buy a Wispa - HE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THEY'D BEEN OFF THE MARKET.

fucksake like.

well when i was talking to him, i was in køpi. take that, eirecore! i am so punk.

 

[taubstumm]

though we didn't talk about wispas, as far as i remember

 

[Corm]

arf arf blah blah. let's not actually address any issues, whatever we do. so what does everyone think of the weather recently?

It's shite.

 

[broken arm]

well when i was talking to him, i was in køpi. take that, eirecore! i am so punk.

what's happening with the place?

 

[nooleen]

ok, since everyone else would rather make in-jokes and comments about turning lezzers straight (woo-arrgh) and the vagaries of stephen doyle, i'll introduce some issues.

problems i've had with male sexual behaviour:

sense of entitlement to intercourse
selfishness with regard to orgasm
irritating objectification (aka grabbing, sense of ownership of woman)
patronising attitude to concerns of woman - e.g. you don't want to do what i want, therefore you're repressed/boring/unadventurous (aka i'm annoyed you won't let me ride you up the arse).

can we talk about this, or is it less urgent than discussions of pop songs and crass line-ups?

 

[broken arm]

can we talk about this, or is it less urgent than discussions of pop songs and crass line-ups?

you have some odd male friends.

 

[Janer]

I'm well drunk at this stage, session this morning and then my bad luck that I hadn't got Setanta Sports 1, so of to a pub that had Setanta sports 1!!!!!

C'mon you Gooners!

 

[nooleen]

oh well. never mind.

 

[Janer]

Chin up Nooly, The Canaries are not doomed yet.