Queen Kong / Ladyfest Berlin Hassle (2 Viewers)

[cmndr mind fuck]

the word, shut your hell hole, spring to mind..

 

[mazzyianne]

Re: Magical Girl Gig Sat 18th Aug - Das Wanderlust+Estel+Sweet Jane

I am going to celebrate white people and all of their music and art. /sarcasm

We are not in a third world country. We are in Ireland were salaries earned by women are very much on par with those earned by men.

I wonder if any of the profits derived by these "you're Magical Girl" gigs goes to oppressed women in third world countries?

Would you celebrate african people's music and art? Would that be ok?
Sure, and why??
Because their music and art has been devalued for years and does exist and should be celebrated.

It's not just women in third world countries who are oppressed, if you had read the post you were responding to properly you would have got that point

 

[cmndr mind fuck]

queen kong, always great tunes.. amy is off the scales!!

 

[Carlow Punks!]

Re: Magical Girl Gig Sat 18th Aug - Das Wanderlust+Estel+Sweet Jane

I don't really see why there should be a need to celebrate women, but go right ahead.

gayest thing I've ever hear on this forum, ever

 

[Squiggle]

gayest thing I've ever hear on this forum, ever

Well, duh!

 

[georgestapleton]

Re: Magical Girl Gig Sat 18th Aug - Das Wanderlust+Estel+Sweet Jane

gayest thing I've ever hear on this forum, ever

 

[cmndr mind fuck]

great tunes, pretty people..

 

[Corey]

Femism on thumped is like trying to do a crossword on speed.

Both my sisters are loaded. And successful. AND manage to do this without taking any of their clothes off.

volotile and delicate social issues such as racism and feminism have thier foundations set in an era of social change that came out of a stand against old world values. Which was admirable; and a massive achivement. It's different now, the bar has been set and those issues are now being largly accepted and recoginised by the western world at least. So much so that humour can now prey on them because these issues can and should be able to stand without taking offence over trivial remarks and comments and losing sight of what they were intially set in place for.

Tuck in your vaginas and man up for christ's sake.

 

[cmndr mind fuck]

Qeen Kong are always sound out
Corey, quit it , would u?

 

[cmndr mind fuck]

meh. corey, wasteist

 

[cmndr mind fuck]

ah right

 

[Ex-User (5762)]

Re: Magical Girl Gig Sat 18th Aug - Das Wanderlust+Estel+Sweet Jane

In case anyone is worried about male tits being shown at this feminist gig we have a bra ready for bushie and queen kong are all banned.
and no-one called dave is allowed in.

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actually i get why the woman at ladyfest berlin asked dave to put his top on - but i think she was wrong because he's a sweaty bastard (like bushie) and he's always getting his top off.
but the woman at ladyfest berlin was obviously pissed off because so many spaces whether the lads realise it or not are male spaces.
most lads are socialised to be louder, more active, encouraged more to be dominant and in control.
so when it comes to gigs lads nearly always stand at the front and take up alot of space and look next time youre at a gig- women hardly ever push themselves forward to the front because we are brought up to think we shouldnt take up much space.
instead of people getting pissed off with me saying this - think about whether its true first and then imagine being born a female and having to cope with this.
we should push to the front more its true- but sometimes it would just be cool if we didnt have to push for what we'd like and it would just happen.
this is why bikini kill always asked to boys to stand at the back of their gigs and asked the girls to stand at the front.

what women want sometimes is to feel 'for once this space/stage/gig' is celebrating women and being female which is what started the riot grrrl/ladyfest movements 10 years ago.

for an extreme feminist seeing a bloke taking his top off on a stage which is supposed to be 'for once' female at a music festival which is 'for once' celebrating women 100% instead of the 10% usually seen at most music festivals.

seeing all 6ft 2" of dave (and thats just his shoulder width) taking off his shirt would have pissed her off and im thinking she threw him the bra to show that women are always expected to cover up themselves whether they're sweating buckets or not - and if they do take their tops off its either sexualised (since thats how female brests are only to be seen)and it gets so much publicity (beth ditto, bikini kill, the slits, bratmobile)

overall though- i think she was wrong - dave always gets his gear off during a gig- but so does amy.. and queen kong are so out there they dont have any agenda- nevermind a macho one..daves is not a macho macho man..(he's lovely) but the woman at ladyfest berlin didnt know this.

i heard dave on phantom this morning when i was driving to work and was happy to hear him praising ladyfests and what theyre doing and he explained that this women was in the extreme- she was - but i see how her mind was working.


ANYWAYS...
this gig on saturday is going to be very sweaty - with lots of girls and lots of boys enjoying a space which is trying to support women in alternative music.
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bravo!!! so articulate and unemotional. i felt good after reading this

 

[Ex-User (5762)]

wow, so many lengthy posts after that one... am i making a bug assumption that siobhan said everything that really needed to be said in the post i just quoted above?

 

[jenny_redd]

Where any of you who have these opinions actually there at Ladyfest? I was, and it has got blown out of proportion. I find the 'feminazi' undertones very dubious and actually scary. Iut then, I suppose I only a feminist who you would expect to make such a comment 'cus you're only having a laugh, aren't you...
As for 'what wide scale oppression are they fighting? How about the rights over their own bodies?

 

[cheryl]

There's only 1 way to end this discussion and it involves 2 words:

Ladyfest Cork!

See you there

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=180525857

 

[pelviscostello]

Re: Magical Girl Gig Sat 18th Aug - Das Wanderlust+Estel+Sweet Jane

I've seen other studies that state the opposite. I think its pretty much universally excepted by those who work in labour economics or any other field that studies pay differentials between men and women that a small but non-negligible contributing factor to the pay gap between men and women is discrimination. I'm not saying that its a big deal and if you read my first post it was saying exactly that its not a big deal. Prejudice is not the core problem of sexism, its structural inequality.

Yeah I mean what the fuck are women thinking going having babies. I mean can they not just get their wives to do that carrying the child for nine months nursing and raising it. Wait no, they can't.

Didn't you say:So lets get this straight: 'men and women are different because of their different roles in procreation.' Okay so far so good. 'And women are treated unequally in out society primarily because of their role in procreation.' Okay I'll go along with that. 'And this shows that women and men are equal in our society'. Hang on that doesn't make sense.

Well...
This saturday:
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/83506

In the past year:
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/83307
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/83800
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/82330
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/81395
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/82374

Feminists in RAR, the IFPA and various other orgs have been pushing this:

http://www.indymedia.ie/article/74738
http://www.struggle.ws/wsm/ws/2004/83/fgm.html
http://www.ifpa.ie/news/index.php?mr=93
http://www.ifpa.ie/news/index.php?mr=73

The words 'Now Shut the Fuck Up' spring to mind.

Ha ha.


Yeah I mean what the fuck are women thinking going having babies. I mean can they not just get their wives to do that carrying the child for nine months nursing and raising it. Wait no, they can't.

Well. Duh. What i am saying here is due to the fact that leave the workforce. Their numbers decrease. I am not pointing blame, I am giving a logical reason for the decrease in numbers.

As far as your studies go, you haven't made any citation and the Accountancy Ireland study was done this year. I would love to see these studies you speak of, if they exist and are done by an impartial organization.

as per this shit:

And women are treated unequally in out society primarily because of their role in procreation.

I didn't say that, so what were you quoting? I wasn't inferring that either. In Ireland I don't think women are unequal at all. That's my point.

Maybe you don't agree, and you are entitled to your opinion. Just like people who believe in Xenu are entitled to theirs. It doesn't mean I won't think you are incorrect.

Your links prove nothing. Were any of those well meaning people involved in the Queen Kong gig in Berlin or involved on this forum? I highly doubt it.

 

[pelviscostello]

Re: Magical Girl Gig Sat 18th Aug - Das Wanderlust+Estel+Sweet Jane

Would you celebrate african people's music and art? Would that be ok?
Sure, and why??
Because their music and art has been devalued for years and does exist and should be celebrated.

It's not just women in third world countries who are oppressed, if you had read the post you were responding to properly you would have got that point

No, I don't think it has been devalued at all. Ever. We wouldn't have modern music as we know it today without it. I don't think I should have to explain the roots of Rock 'N Roll to you.

And even if it has, I certainly didn't devalue it.

 

[pelviscostello]

Femism on thumped is like trying to do a crossword on speed.

Both my sisters are loaded. And successful. AND manage to do this without taking any of their clothes off.

volotile and delicate social issues such as racism and feminism have thier foundations set in an era of social change that came out of a stand against old world values. Which was admirable; and a massive achivement. It's different now, the bar has been set and those issues are now being largly accepted and recoginised by the western world at least. So much so that humour can now prey on them because these issues can and should be able to stand without taking offence over trivial remarks and comments and losing sight of what they were intially set in place for.

Tuck in your vaginas and man up for christ's sake.

I agree with 99.9% of that.

Good show.

 

[taubstumm]

Re: Magical Girl Gig Sat 18th Aug - Das Wanderlust+Estel+Sweet Jane

Ha ha.


Yeah I mean what the fuck are women thinking going having babies. I mean can they not just get their wives to do that carrying the child for nine months nursing and raising it. Wait no, they can't.

Well. Duh. What i am saying here is due to the fact that leave the workforce. Their numbers decrease. I am not pointing blame, I am giving a logical reason for the decrease in numbers.

As far as your studies go, you haven't made any citation and the Accountancy Ireland study was done this year. I would love to see these studies you speak of, if they exist and are done by an impartial organization.

as per this shit:

And women are treated unequally in out society primarily because of their role in procreation.

I didn't say that, so what were you quoting? I wasn't inferring that either. In Ireland I don't think women are unequal at all. That's my point.

Maybe you don't agree, and you are entitled to your opinion. Just like people who believe in Xenu are entitled to theirs. It doesn't mean I won't think you are incorrect.

Your links prove nothing. Were any of those well meaning people involved in the Queen Kong gig in Berlin or involved on this forum? I highly doubt it.

dude, as far as i can see, you're just one of those guys who likes the sound of their own voice. time to give it a break and hand over to people with actual relevant, significant, non-idiot things to say.

 

[pelviscostello]

Where any of you who have these opinions actually there at Ladyfest? I was, and it has got blown out of proportion. I find the 'feminazi' undertones very dubious and actually scary. Iut then, I suppose I only a feminist who you would expect to make such a comment 'cus you're only having a laugh, aren't you...
As for 'what wide scale oppression are they fighting? How about the rights over their own bodies?

Well I have heard first person accounts of the event and I doubt my multiple sources were incorrect.

Feminazi is a bullshit term, but as Corey stated and as I have been saying feminism is an outmoded concept. How about humanism instead?

How about the rights over their own bodies?

We have the morning after pill, correct?

I personally think that women should have access to planned parenthood clinics that perform early abortion; but the morning after bill, birth control, and common sense are are the best solutions and we already have those.

I would wholly support any gig that who proceeds go to supporting planned parenthood clinics. Does "you're magical girl" or "ladyfest" do that?