Official Thumped position on Lisbon (2 Viewers)

[IFF]

never mentioned polls and i'd say there are none...i said 'people say' coz i've heard plenty of people site fortifying our influence and 'good-will' as a 'no-nonsense' reason to vote yes...i take it you have never heard anything of this on the air nor seen it in print which is what makes it impossible for you to discuss the point of holding a nations sovereign referendum to ransom with such an ethereal albeit important consideration.
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my confusion resulted from you saying:

but it's one of the top reasons people say they'll vote yes

ei thought that you meant polls when you mentioned that it was one of the top reasons

i stand corrected

 

[therealjohnny]

I just cant make up my mind

Abstain or Spoil

decisions, decisions

 

[ann post]

never abstain. bad newas.

 

[Space]

never abstain. bad newas.

I was gonna abstain today but all this talk of Guinness is making me an tart.

 

[nlgbbbblth]

is it true that Michael O'Leary is facing off with Declan Ganley on Primetime later?

 

[ann post]

yeah 9.35

Lisbon Referendum 2009
A special one-hour edition focusing on some of the divisive issues surrounding the Lisbon Treaty and featuring a head-to-head debate between Declan Ganley and Michael O'Leary
The programme includes two separate debates between Mary Lou McDonald of Sinn Féin and Pat Cox, President of the International European Movement; and Micheál Martin, Minister for Foreign Affairs, with Socialist Party MEP Joe Higgins

 

[Milker]

is it true that Michael O'Leary is facing off with Declan Ganley on Primetime later?

going on the Last Word 'debate' I'd say Ganley will walk it...O' Leary is too flippant...both massive businessmen.

will watch..with several pinches of salt to hand.

 

[Milker]

oh its micheal martin v joe higgins!!

 

[ann post]

its all very scrappy

 

[broken arm]

i felt sorry for Mary Lou - she got lashed out of it by Pat Cox (the prick)

 

[Milker]

i felt sorry for Mary Lou - she got lashed out of it by Pat Cox (the prick)

Did she? She never really knocks it out of the park but if y'ask me she did ok...cox was more emphatic.

 

[ann post]

what did ya's make of gammy vs leery???

 

[broken arm]

Did she? She never really knocks it out of the park but if y'ask me she did ok...cox was more emphatic.

yea but in my view (at this stage) you can't really argue with the text when it's in black and white.

martin and higgins were both so so - too polite and nice to each other.

the ryanair and libertas lads were just as I expected - arrogant and a bit thick.

 

[ann post]

was there any weight to glaneys thing about 'we keepp our commissioner anyways, yes or no'?

 

[pete]

was there any weight to glaneys thing about 'we keepp our commissioner anyways, yes or no'?

apparently yes

http://www.irishtimes.com/blogs/stateoftheunion/2009/09/06/keeping-our-commissioner-without-lisbon/

 

[Kermit McDermott]

what did ya's make of gammy vs leery???

While I find Ganley a bit shady, the alarm bells go right off when Michael O'leary starts to champion a cause, because the only thing that guy cares about is profits for his company.

And this whole thing with Ireland's vetos on certain issues. The same fear of the big powers that is being used to persuade a yes vote this time will be used to make vetos null and void. We'll be afraid to disagree because of the consequences.


I'm still voting no.

 

[Milker]

yea but in my view (at this stage) you can't really argue with the text when it's in black and white.

martin and higgins were both so so - too polite and nice to each other.

the ryanair and libertas lads were just as I expected - arrogant and a bit thick.

y'know who we need to get the best out of these debates......

 

[ann post]

what drives me nuts about debates is thinking of a better answer and the person debating not/. probably its the same as who wants to be a millionaire or something, but every time leery was calling gammy a failed politician, all he had to say was 'are the guys who beat me successful or something??'

all in all there was a torrent of cheap shots throughout though. the little fuck up with repeated scene and awkward silence was good.

 

[ann post]

actually, i was just doing some wiki reading about o leary and gimlet, this bit in the history of ryanair about tax and so forth is enough to put me off him in general, specifically on the subject of tax

The unorthodox business model envisioned by O’Leary uses commissions from pay-per-view entertainment, onboard shopping, internet gaming, car hire and hotel bookings to eventually replace the revenue from selling airline seats. Consumers may someday “fly for free,” but airline executives already benefit from the bottom line boost provided by ancillary revenue. O’Leary’s radical idea catalyzed an industry-wide trend to coax more revenue from the profit-challenged airline business

 

[Milker]

While I find Ganley a bit shady, the alarm bells go right off when Michael O'leary starts to champion a cause, because the only thing that guy cares about is profits for his company.

And this whole thing with Ireland's vetos on certain issues. The same fear of the big powers that is being used to persuade a yes vote this time will be used to make vetos null and void. We'll be afraid to disagree because of the consequences.


I'm still voting no.

dude my exact point a few pages back...its a trump card...the sovereign peoples recourse to referenda, me hole!