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when is the referendum & how can one vote if out of the country?
I hear you. I know basically nothing about the lisbon treaty but I'm assuming that if fianna faíl wants us to vote yes then we should all probably vote no...
Finally, I attach the Green Party's Lisbon Treay Handbook, which is well worth a look at, containing 25 objections to the Treaty, with detailed rebuttals.
anyone seen the 'people died for your rights - don't throw them away' posters.
Roger Cole said:The European Defence Agency, the function of which is to expand and improve EU military expenditure, is part of the treaty. In December 2007, the European Commission made it clear that the emerging European Defence Agency will mean even more arms exports and a boost to the global arms trade. If you want to support the arms trade, make sure you vote Yes.
Up to now the concept of the EU as a partnership of independent states was expressed by the fact that the position of EU president was rotated between all the states. That now ends with the appointment of an EU president and minister for foreign affairs with an EU diplomatic service, for a de facto five-year period.
We would have to "support the Union's external and security policy actively and unreservedly in a spirit of loyalty and mutual solidarity". When president José Manuel Barroso said the EU had the "dimensions of empire", he was not joking.
The mutual defence and solidarity clauses, the military structured co-operation clauses that allow a group of states within the EU to create their own armed force to take part in more "demanding" military expeditions, and the EU battlegroups leave no room for doubt about the militarisation of the EU.
The French have already called for the six largest EU states to establish a 60,000-strong expeditionary army.
No wonder the leaked memo said the referendum should not be held later this year, because "the risk of unhelpful developments during the French presidency - particularly relating to EU defence - were just too great".
When people vote, the key question is: what kind of Europe do they want? If they want a centralised, militarised, neo-liberal superstate allied to the US, engaged in wars all over the world, then they should vote Yes.
If they want a partnership Europe - a partnership of independent, democratic states, legal equals, without a military dimension - then they should vote No.
they're apparently from some organisation that shares a postal address with youth defence and some other crackpots.
That’s because under the Lisbon Treaty we’ll be made subject to the EU Court of Justice and the EU’s Charter of Fundamental Rights. The Charter will be legally binding on Ireland and can force us to change our laws on issues as important as:
- how we raise and educate our children
- legalization of prostitution and drugs
- abortion and euthanasia
Think you forgot the link for this ...
Funny .. when you Google it, your post referring to it comes up tops. Probably says something about how bad the GP's website is in terms of search engine optimisation ....
so what did he say?Tony Benn is due on Pat Kenny in 10 to discuss this. He's suggesting we vote no.
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