Let's have a debate about immigration (2 Viewers)

[pete]

"Get your hands off me! I'm Irish! It's not in my culture to pay my bin taxes!"

it's true. make sure that goes on the exam.

 

[flashback]

It's also full of brits and we're not talking about west brits here.

Leave code_n1nja the fuck out of this Moose.

 

[broken arm]

Are you sure?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract

sorry yes - i mean where the discussion usually ends up is that the social contract is measured/evaluated on how much someone is worth to the economy - especially in the UK at the moment.

i.e. it could go something like this... I will only enter a governance contract with you if you can show me how much tax you can pay me each year for as long as I think you can stay within my country.

 

[jane]

I see what you are saying, but that applies to Irish nationals too. Any farmer who has had city folk move in nearby will tell tales of stolen trees, gates left open so that his cattle or sheep, a valuable resource to him, are slaughtered on the roads by reckless drivers (at his expense), crops trampled through, or stolen, patches of land 'appropriated' without permission and trespassing to the point of invasion of privacy. We have had people wandering around our farm, outbuildings, house and garden with no apparent realisation that they were doing anything wrong, if we went down to their home and did that they would call the cops.

Edit: Ultimately people everywhere just need to learn to be good to each other! Excellent to each other even.

I think this kind of goes back to the point about the 'integration project' not just applying to foreigners in Ireland, but that integration can be taken to mean all sorts of things, not just involving foreigners. It has to do with better public involvement in making decisions about how we all want to live on this island in the future. I won't use the word 'stakeholders'. Okay, I just did. Fuck.

BE EXCELLENT TO EACH OTHER. Truer words were never spoke.

 

[flashback]

sorry yes - i mean where the discussion usually ends up is that the social contract is measured/evaluated on how much someone is worth to the economy - especially in the UK at the moment.

Speaking of economies, the US economy is about to go tits up I think.
That'll serve all them immigrants right.

 

[Pantone247]

Any farmer who has had city folk move in nearby will tell tales of stolen trees....

conversley a load of culchies moved in near me recently and the smell of cow shit off the place would knock you side ways... we all tried to turn a blind eye when they started marrying thier cousins, but six months later when they started drowing said cousins in the O'Boyle's swimming pool we had to run them out

place still stinks of cow shit though...

 

[Squiggle]

conversley a load of culchies moved in near me recently and the smell of cow shit off the place would knock you side ways... we all tried to turn a blind eye when they started marrying thier cousins, but six months later when they started drowing said cousins in the O'Boyle's swimming pool we had to run them out

place still stinks of cow shit though...

That's you on ignore

And since you're a moderator I guess I'll just have to skip all your posts without reading them.

 

[flashback]

I went to school next to a piggery.
Cow shit would have been a welcome relief.

 

[kevin gallen]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21019797/from/ET/

that quiz is fucked, its telling me i put in answers i did not when i press submit to get my score

 

[Vinnie]

A load of vampires moved in near me recently and they have completely taken over the local amusement arcade. It's a fucking disgrace.

 

[egg_]

We have had people wandering around our farm, outbuildings, house and garden with no apparent realisation that they were doing anything wrong, if we went down to their home and did that they would call the cops.

Even still?
When we were kids we used to roam all over the surrounding farmland - now I live in the country again, with kids living all around, and you NEVER see anyone in the fields who isn't working. I think that's a shame, really

But, anyway, what I was getting at, and maybe I'm not expressing myself very clearly here, is, mixed in with the usual fear of outsiders that you get from the anti-immigration lobby is the fear that letting "too many" immigrants in might make things worse for people who already live here. The pro-immigration response is, usually, "don't be silly, immigrants make our lives better" ... but it might not always be true, with my "social contract" schtick I was trying to describe a situation in which immigration might mean we lose something that's important, not only to native Irish but to immigrants too. That would be bad, wouldn't it?

 

[Lefty Frizzell]

A black fella, a jew and a muslim are in a pub having a drink. What a fine example of an integrated community.

 

[Space]

We really should organise some sort of wall building in Lifford.

And if I could I’d build a wall around old Donegal
The north and south to keep them out, my god I’d build it tall
Casinoes, chicken ranches, I’d legalize them all
We’d have our own Las Vegas in the hills of Donegal
Yeah!! Las Vegas in the hills of Donegal

 

[classic seanc]

And if I could I’d build a wall around old Donegal
The north and south to keep them out, my god I’d build it tall
Casinoes, chicken ranches, I’d legalize them all
We’d have our own Las Vegas in the hills of Donegal
Yeah!! Las Vegas in the hills of Donegal

Tell me something, what the fuck to chicken ranches have to do with anything?

 

[Space]

Tell me something, what the fuck to chicken ranches have to do with anything?

It's a test.

 

[Squiggle]

We can't lose something we don't really have. What is Irishness? I view cultural identity as something that is fluid. Catholic Ireland is being revived by the religious Poles and Czech's as far as I can see. Immigrants and visitors generally have more interest in Irish traditions than the Irish themselves do.

The country may be changing and become something different... but change is the only constant.

 

[therealjohnny]

And if I could I’d build a wall around old Donegal
The north and south to keep them out, my god I’d build it tall
Casinoes, chicken ranches, I’d legalize them all
We’d have our own Las Vegas in the hills of Donegal
Yeah!! Las Vegas in the hills of Donegal

Ahh ,The Goats

They should have been as big as the Sawdoctors. Another example of Donegal getting the shit end of the stick

 

[broken arm]

but it might not always be true, with my "social contract" schtick I was trying to describe a situation in which immigration might mean we lose something that's important, not only to native Irish but to immigrants too. That would be bad, wouldn't it?

a form of utopianism?

interesting question, but I'm not a social scientist...

 

[Vinnie]

What is Irishness?

Irishness is something we pretend we give a shit about so that rich tourists wil waddle into our shops and spend mucho dinera on cheap & obscene paraphernalia that in no way represents the thing we pretend to care about.

 

[classic seanc]

It's a test.

Great, tell me the answer.