this is balls out, tripping acid, batshit:
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My suggestion is to leave schools closed for the rest of the year. Let everyone start back in january 2021 where they left off this year. So current LC students will recommence 6th year in January. They'll have an extra couple of months to get back up and running and then sit their exams as normal. Colleges can do the same. Would be weird not having any graduates in 2020, but better than opening the state up to lawsuits from kids who are aggrieved at their predicted grades.
This requires a vaccine, which isn't bankable. I think a developed version of this year is probably the plan for the people going into 6th in sept.
It's far from ideal. But this situation is developing daily, and any short-term plans seem to be getting constantly revised. This way you're pressing pause for 7 months. See how things develop, and start up again with online classes if necessary.
Working under the assumption that there will be very few foreign students starting the next academic year, I don't think places will be a problem. Most people get into college anyway, just not the courses they want as first preference.Another issue with that is that there's only so many college places, just putting it off till next year will probably mean that there's twice as many students applying for the same number of places in 2021. As it stands I imagine that there'll be a bumper crop of repeaters next year anyway. On that note, the least they could do is waive the exam fees for people who chose to repeat in 2021.
Working under the assumption that there will be very few foreign students starting the next academic year, I don't think places will be a problem. Most people get into college anyway, just not the courses they want as first preference.
Might be better to ditch all this predicted grades stuff too, give everyone a school completion cert. Let students engage with teachers in terms of career guidance over the summer, maybe colleges could interview, invite written applications and perform aptitude tests, and if the places are available just let everyone in. Let college become a sorting house with a lot of latitude for course transference in the first year.
Maybe. Any solution is bananas.
Yeah i'm on the borderline of better off not working.
If I was still fully dependent on disability it'd be 50% increase in income.
Said it before, will say it again - Ireland is compeltely comfortable with people with disabilities being second class citizens.
Places will be a problem. For sure, some colleges fill courses with foreign students, but they are the exception rather than the rule. You can't just let everyone in because the places won't be available. Most courses have a limited number of students they can accomodate so it's impossible (in many cases) to ramp it up.
Are they really though?
Take... Trinity Law. (I don't know what the highest demand is, but law in Trinners is normally fairly up there.)
What's the rate limiting factor on teaching kids law. At fucking Trinners.
> The number of seats in the lecture halls!
Sit on the floor. I've sat through a fair number of lectures on the floor, it's quite a lot better than repeating your LC.
> OK, restrictions in place Re social distancing means that lecture halls are put under even more pressure for space.
Stream the lectures online so. The kids attend the lectures through Zoom or some shit.
> Ah, but the tutorials, you need the one on one in the tutorials.
Give the grad students more hours giving tutorials. You pay them fuck all anyway, double the hours available. When I was in grad school I never, not once, ever, turned down lab sessions or tutorial sessions. Because I was skint.
> The exams though, how do sort the exams?
Rent a fucking gym or something. Besides, the exams won't be coming for a semester at the earliest. Worst case scenario you rent out some big space in the RDS and get the kids to wear masks or some shit.
this is an American thing.myself and most of my siblings had a fine school record... of quitting secondary with a year to go.
but the kid that let the side down got a bog standard degree from Trinity in the early 2000's.
the other day they got a letter from Trinity College asking for a donation 'cause they
are going skid with current lack of income.
LOL.
anyone else get one of these in post ?
they weren't best pleased and thought the school had some nerve.
You’ve only gotten one? A get a few of them a year since finishing my degree in 2006. I’ve gotten maybe two total from Maynooth since graduating from there 10 years ago.anyone else get one of these in post ?
I know this is already happening in some courses in Ireland before all this. Most universities are running short on space at the best of times.Are they really though?
Take... Trinity Law. (I don't know what the highest demand is, but law in Trinners is normally fairly up there.)
What's the rate limiting factor on teaching kids law. At fucking Trinners.
> The number of seats in the lecture halls!
Sit on the floor. I've sat through a fair number of lectures on the floor, it's quite a lot better than repeating your LC.
I think this should be done more now that we’ve ripped the plaster off but although students appreciate it at the moment, I don’t think it’s a good replacement for actual in-class teaching. Even when I lecture a big class (200 students), you work off the room. It’s never a case of just reading off the slides and robotically carrying on.> OK, restrictions in place Re social distancing means that lecture halls are put under even more pressure for space.
Stream the lectures online so. The kids attend the lectures through Zoom or some shit.
That depends on the course and the department. Some departments have millions of graduate students (like the sciences) but some of the humanities won’t have those resources. Plus I don’t know any course that really dose one on one tutorials.> Ah, but the tutorials, you need the one on one in the tutorials.
Give the grad students more hours giving tutorials. You pay them fuck all anyway, double the hours available. When I was in grad school I never, not once, ever, turned down lab sessions or tutorial sessions. Because I was skint.
They already rent out the RDS, the Mansion House and who knows what else around the city centre. Exams take up a huge amount of physical space. That said, I’d love to see a move to less exam-focused assessment - my course became an essay this year in place of the usual exam.> The exams though, how do sort the exams?
Rent a fucking gym or something. Besides, the exams won't be coming for a semester at the earliest. Worst case scenario you rent out some big space in the RDS and get the kids to wear masks or some shit.
Erm, they’re fucking huge courses. Practical classes run pretty much constantly across dozens of large teaching labs every day. It is a massive draw on lecturers, graduate students, and technical staff. Lectures and exams are child’s play in comparison. Bear in mind that the early years of chemistry and biology are also done by medical, radiography, dentistry, veterinary, and physiotherapy degrees (amongst others I’m sure).The more resource intensive courses, say the Sciences, say Chemistry or Biology, bugger all people want to do them anyway. There isn't that much demand on them in the first place.
While there certainly are “prestige courses” with small numbers to drive up the points (but are otherwise bog standard science degrees for example), I really don’t think universities are capping places artificially. They need students, the more students the better as that’s where they get their money. The fact is, staffing levels in Irish universities are shite and it is impossible for any sort of decent education to be maintained if they increase the numbers by any significant number. The system is creaking under its own weight as it is with too few, underpaid, and overworked staff carrying a faulty university system that really needs to be tackled from a government level.Sorry for the long post. But, to me, the demand for Uni places in Ireland has a touch of the Toilet Rolls about it. Just because people are all talking about toilet rolls, and rushing out to buy toilet rolls, doesn't actually mean that we need all these toilet rolls stashed in your cupboard. There's a lot of these uni courses that have what seems to me to be artificial limits on the numbers admitted, which artificially drives up the demand.
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