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xConorx said:Also the same people that moan about Shelter being krishna listen to Bad Brains, who were openly homophobic.QUOTE]
For the record, it was only JR in the Bad Brains who was homophobic. He also happened to be schizophrenic.
Draw your own conclusions.
Corm said:The issue is that you will make excuses for bands that you like and talkj shit about bands whose music you don't like. If Shelter were openly homophobic (as JR was) nobody would accept it, schizophrenic or not. If Madball had written homophobic lyrics everyone would talk shit about them forever (like they don't already).xConorx said:Also the same people that moan about Shelter being krishna listen to Bad Brains, who were openly homophobic.QUOTE]
For the record, it was only JR in the Bad Brains who was homophobic. He also happened to be schizophrenic.
Draw your own conclusions.
The fact is people are prepared to overlook aspects of bands that they might disagree with if they like the bands music but fucking slate a band and moan if they don't like the music.
Damien, the only difference I can see between Converge and The Apers is this:
Converge: you like their music.
The Apers: you don't like their music
Alsdo I don't see the difference between Converge "being a hardcore band that made it big" and the Apers "using the hc scene to make it big". Surely if Converge used to be a hc band and then they made it big they obviously used the hc scene to get as big as they are (good luck to them, they have bills to pay just like anyone else and I definitely don't begrudge them) so what is The difference between them and the Apers.
The Apers guarantee was roughly £150 in Belfast, they got £70 and were happy. Try giving Converge half of their guarantee, see how that goes down.
Exactly. I work a shit job for a living because that's fucking reality. There's nothing wrong with living with your parents at all, but there's also nothing wrong with working to pay your bills. Unfortunately bands fall into the same boat and need to use their music to support themselves, it sucks that they have to but it also sucks that I have to sell my labour to an exploitative employer just to get by.the strange guy said:Incidently, I hear a few of you 'punk rockers' sold out recently by demanding a guarantee from your workplace for acts rendered. Fucking cunts, call yourselves punks.
I love the fact that people here who still live with their parent/s can give out about bands who aren't as DIY as they'd like them to be.
Thats a total pile of shit. I fucking went round Ireland with them and wasn't bothered by them at all. Now the gig in Cork didn't go as well as it could have, and yeah there was a bit of moaning involved (mainly from one person I might add), but I think that it was understandable in the conditions at the time. Certainly I could see where they were coming from. Although I will say that one member of the band was bossy as hell. Still I could handle it, and I was there for three days.brianMy Remorse said:to be honest we played with shelter last year and i wasnt that impressed with their attitude, they treated the promoter like shit as well, asked all the bands for their gear, including guitars as back ups after local bands were already after providing the backline, and then all they did was moan. and ray cappo is krishna when it suits him, but when the crowd doesnt comprise of krishnas hes totally different, and does drink when it suits also (ie is not straight edge as he sometimes lets on)
damien said:yawn. not posting here how much converge want. its none of your business. QUOTE]
I'd say it is a person business if they are going to part with their money to see them - we need much more transparency regarding costs in punk if people are interested. Any gigs I'm involved with I am more than happy to explain costs, especially if the door price is higher than might be expected.
I personally don't think 12eur is very much, HopeConspiracy in Dublin is 12 euro too isn't it? so it's seems relative.
Also I don't think anyone is moaning about Converge having a guarantee or complaining about what they are asking for. All I was trying to say is that I don't think it's fair to give some bands shit and completely overlook similar comparable gripes with other bands. Consistency!
xConorx said:I really don't give a fuck about this whole Apers/Converge argument.Be thankfully it wasn't MCD doing wither of the gigs.That's what matters.damien said:yawn. not posting here how much converge want. its none of your business. QUOTE]
I'd say it is a person business if they are going to part with their money to see them - we need much more transparency regarding costs in punk if people are interested. Any gigs I'm involved with I am more than happy to explain costs, especially if the door price is higher than might be expected.
I personally don't think 12eur is very much, HopeConspiracy in Dublin is 12 euro too isn't it? so it's seems relative.
Also I don't think anyone is moaning about Converge having a guarantee or complaining about what they are asking for. All I was trying to say is that I don't think it's fair to give some bands shit and completely overlook similar comparable gripes with other bands. Consistency!
Just curious, did FUGAZI not have a gaurantee last time?NOMEANSNO?No doubt a sizeable one at that?No-one ever brings them up I notice.No difference between them and CONVERGE in my book except people who are irked by the fact that metal kids like them now.
Again, that is my point. I just don't think it's fair to give some bands shit because they're pop-punk (and that isn't cool anymore) but overlook guarantees for bands that are "cool".needtokill said:I really don't give a fuck about this whole Apers/Converge argument.Be thankfully it wasn't MCD doing wither of the gigs.That's what matters.
Just curious, did FUGAZI not have a gaurantee last time?NOMEANSNO?No doubt a sizeable one at that?No-one ever brings them up I notice.No difference between them and CONVERGE in my book except people who are irked by the fact that metal kids like them now.
Anti-Nazi as fuck. I hate Africans and travellers, you hate Americans.ian bastardcore said:the reason bastard youth had a problem with shelter was cause they were american.fact.
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