all this fundraising..... (1 Viewer)

[avernus]

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words - "mank" and "ind". What do these words mean ? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.

 

[desertedvillage]

".............you commison hungry bastard"

I relate to that scenario but, in fairness, a lot of street fund raisers are on a flat wage and still get preformance appraisals for how many driect debits they get signed up.
I know this to be true for the Concern fundraisers you see on the streets of Dublin. My brother works for them and he gets (haughty tone) "So you're one of those people who makes money off charities" a lot. It seems people think they should work 8-9 hours 6 days a week for nothing
You can usually tell who's on commission because of their bad manners.
Ask anyone who pisses you off if they're on commission.
Those people selling scratch cards are very dodgy, They never have much of a spiel about what cause the money's going to.

I tried selling scratch cards once for the Liffey Trust years ago. The first thing they told me was "Don't mention the Company name, it has the name of bring a bit of a scam" I lasted a Day.

Governments interested in rebuilding SE Asias economy could start by getting Corporations to raise sweatshop wages. They econmy might pick up if folks could afford to buy things other than (not enough) food or even save.
Has anyone anyone heard from Nike, Disney et al in the aftermath?
They now have a whole new workforce of orphans with no dependents or familys to support. They'll work for even less money.

 

[moc]

Some causes give people the opportunity of appearing particularly caring
this being one of them, it's good that people give but this fucking rightousness coming from people who have an awareness of third world problems for all of 10 seconds is getting a bit much.

i hated that during the special olympics that were held here, people thinking they were saving the world for the week or two.

 

[Cormcolash]

I relate to that scenario but, in fairness, a lot of street fund raisers are on a flat wage and still get preformance appraisals for how many driect debits they get signed up.
I know this to be true for the Concern fundraisers you see on the streets of Dublin. My brother works for them and he gets (haughty tone) "So you're one of those people who makes money off charities" a lot. It seems people think they should work 8-9 hours 6 days a week for nothing
You can usually tell who's on commission because of their bad manners.
Ask anyone who pisses you off if they're on commission.
Those people selling scratch cards are very dodgy, They never have much of a spiel about what cause the money's going to.

I tried selling scratch cards once for the Liffey Trust years ago. The first thing they told me was "Don't mention the Company name, it has the name of bring a bit of a scam" I lasted a Day.

Governments interested in rebuilding SE Asias economy could start by getting Corporations to raise sweatshop wages. They econmy might pick up if folks could afford to buy things other than (not enough) food or even save.
Has anyone anyone heard from Nike, Disney et al in the aftermath?
They now have a whole new workforce of orphans with no dependents or familys to support. They'll work for even less money.

On the charity workers bit, I hate that shit, most people up here get at least £7 an hour for it (more money than I have ever made working) and they try and stop me in the street. Fuck off, why don't you give your wages to the charity. I cannot believe this is their most lucrative fundraising method when they are paying people £7 an hour to do it, there is something wrong there. Bear in mind that one company in N.I was exposed as being utter fucking fraudsters a couple of years back. Also, it disgusts me that any money raised like this on the street is often a result of simply making people feel guilty, so there is no actual care involved, that is not the way to collect for charity.

On the S.E Asia bit, damn fuckin right. Don't forget this is another place that the West is fucking in the ass, but hey it's a nice holiday destination isn't it? All the money being given in aid right now is absolutely nothing compared to the amount of money that has already been made by exploiting the exact same area. I'm sure the vast majority of people that are contributing to the aid effort own at least one article of clothing that was manufactured in sweatshop conditions. Fuck, I probably do. It's almost impossible to avoid. Also, if giving money to Asia is the best solution right now, I have to suggest that absolutely none is given to Indonesia, widely recognised as one of the most corrupt countries in the world. But there will be money given there, and lots of it will disappear into the black hole of government pocket over there. Hey, they might even use it to occupy East Timor, you never know. The whole thing is fucked up.

 

[potlatch]

Suharto sure enjoyed all those guns he got from America which he used to murder the East Timorese.

That said, Indonesia is one of the areas worst affected and one of the the least likely to recover.

But, like, if we didn't pay off Indonesia, they mightn't allow us to sail through their waters and that'd ruin Nike for sure.

 

[nlgbbbblth]

well seeing as we have our bitching hats on...

I was leaving the Stephens green centre last summer, carrying a baby bath and a bag with sheets, no hands free, heading for the taxi rank, looking like the most weighed down man in the world.

This guy from Oxfam comes over and starts walking alongside, me sort of edging into my path all the time, he's all "Would you like... Would you like..." I'm all "No sorry I can't stop"

He keeps "Would you like..." I say "Sorry" and raise my shoulders in a "look at the stuff I'm carrying, boy is it ever heavy!" and he says "ah come on, you can put them down for a second"

I'm really proud that I told him to "fuck off" ....sometimes you feel sketchy about it, maybe a little crass...but that guy really deserved it... today my only regret is I didn't follow up with "you commison hungry bastard"

chugger pricks

 

[kreature]

those charities...

they totally rely on banks for their fundraising. Its those pesky banks
that are fuckin the whole world up.
Also, it breeds apapthy like a motherfucker.
Your giving money with direct debit. What the fuck?
It creates this sort of "I give 20 yos a month, I am guilt free"
attitude and people never actually engage with the charity
or the community they're supposedly helping out.

 

[nlgbbbblth]

those charities...

they totally rely on banks for their fundraising. Its those pesky banks
that are fuckin the whole world up.
Also, it breeds apapthy like a motherfucker.
Your giving money with direct debit. What the fuck?
It creates this sort of "I give 20 yos a month, I am guilt free"
attitude and people never actually engage with the charity
or the community they're supposedly helping out.

bollocks
the Banks just facilitate the payment of the monies from people's accounts.

 

[Latex lizzie]

A mate of mine works for concern. He used to work in computers. He did his karma homework and came up with the idea. He will go to heaven. I'm sure of it. Long hours, crap pay, and they cut a pretty professional outfit. Ages ago the argument of charity workers not getting paid went out the window.I hate when people say "how much of my money is paying your wages." It just shows a total misundersatnding of how things work.

 

[potlatch]

A load of people seem to have moved from IT into development. They did in my Masters anyway, some even gave up their jobs in Europe to get into the area.

Development work isn't like joining the local parish to raise money for black babies anymore. It's a professional industry and there's no way trained people are going to bust their balls working full time to do whatever they do for free. No one's ever going to earn megabucks in Concern or GOAL or whatever, but it's only fair people get paid a fair wage in the biz.

 

[sarah]

Of course they should get paid, freezing their bits off in this weather,
Also concern are cool have won awards for the transparency of their accounts
and such like.

 

[Cormcolash]

You'll excuse me then if I get pissed off when 3 of them try and stop me in the street all within 100 yards of each other by making some sort of attempt to persuade me that we've been friends for years and they want a really good talk.

 

[Latex lizzie]

You'll excuse me then if I get pissed off when 3 of them try and stop me in the street all within 100 yards of each other by making some sort of attempt to persuade me that we've been friends for years and they want a really good talk.

would you prefer they were all agro about it? we'd be hearing you moan then.

 

[Cormcolash]

would you prefer they were all agro about it? we'd be hearing you moan then.

I'd prefer if they maybe said "Do you want to talk about our charity for a minute" instead of the "Oh hello how are ya, great to see you, haven't seen you in aggeesss" bullshit I always get. It's fucking tantamount to lying. And I'd prefer if there weren't three of them all standing within 100 yards of each other to make absolutely certain you can't walk past them without having to tell one of them to fuck off. Sorry but it is all complete utter cynical bullshit.

 

[kreature]

bollocks
the Banks just facilitate the payment of the monies from people's accounts.

Any money theat goes through the banks is used to further the banks economy. You think banks do this for free?

 

[hugh]

The thing about the Tsunami is that it wasn't really anybodys fault, it was one huge cataclysmic events whose impact is pretty readily understandable, and it's pretty clear how the money can be spent in order to help people recover from the situation. When you combine this with the fact that many people in the West will have visited the affected areas, or at least know someone who has, then it seems to me not that surprising that there was a massive response.

Compare this to the likes of Darfur .... it's in a country that most people know fuck-all about (hands up whose been to Sudan, eh?), it's caused by a long-running political conflict that's rooted in all sorts of economic and geopolitcal stuff that not many people understand, and then you've probably got the usual factors that often prevent aid money from doing any good e.g. bad governance/corruption/having to service dept repayments/ill thought out projects etc. etc. Not to mention the global/political stuff regarding the US and Sudan ....

I've now forgotten the point I was going to make and am too bored to think of it again ... sorry ...

 

[Latex lizzie]

I've been to sudan. Clipped acroos the border on a day trip from egypt to see some ruins.That makes me a smartass though so i'll be quiet.

 

[potlatch]

The thing about the Tsunami is that it wasn't really anybodys fault, it was one huge cataclysmic events whose impact is pretty readily understandable, and it's pretty clear how the money can be spent in order to help people recover

Sure, but then again, trade and development policies pushed by the IMF and World Bank destroyed the mangroves that could have saved lives in December.

Yes, yes, it's all a rich tapestry.

 

[nlgbbbblth]

Any money theat goes through the banks is used to further the banks economy. You think banks do this for free?

I work for a bank. They are a business like any other and are entitled to make profits.

 

[Latex lizzie]

..it's how and what you do with the profits that counts. Banks exist purely for the sake of commerce and have no actuall product. I guess thats what makes em so hated.