Waterford Whispers (1 Viewer)

[GO]

In 90's we had Faithless..now we got Cakeless

 

[GO]

I was thinking of the article below specifically when replying...
‘I’m trying my utmost to ride the storm’: an unemployed graduate’s story

"I have a heavy heart. I never thought I would be in this position; in the same position as people who have never pursued goals, never had ambition, engaged in lives of debauchery and who are currently, in the eyes of the government, on a par with me."

That is one moany little cunt right there.#
I feel dirty after reading that tripe

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

I honestly think they do it for trolling a little bit

Remember the dude that wanted to work in film and said anyone that worked in an office was a mindless drone?

Anyone with an ounce of concern for the man wouldn't have run that. They knew it would piss people off and get them clicking like crazy.

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

Hell, back in 2008/2009 a journo that I know approached me
Things had worked out okay for me and I hadn't lost my job. In fact I was kinda making out well because all of the recession deals and going out of business sales that were going on.
I effectively had more money in my pocket.
Anyway, this wan wants me to write a "Recession, what recession??" piece for her paper.
Fucking photo and everything.
Like I'm not enough of a cunt already, without telling the country.

I told her no way. I'm sure someone did it.

 

[hugh]

They did. Remember that article by the guy who used to run Dubliner magazine? I think when it folded he obviously got a big payoff and then spent two pages waffling about how wonderful it was to be unemployed as he was spending his days lounging around in coffee shops and had already been on three foreign trips so far this year.

 

[St. Fechin]

Good points. I'm probably not used to seeing such entitlement printed in a 'serious' newspaper. I assume the editor knew full well what he was printing and was looking for a response.

LOL

 

[sleepy]

Hell, back in 2008/2009 a journo that I know approached me
Things had worked out okay for me and I hadn't lost my job. In fact I was kinda making out well because all of the recession deals and going out of business sales that were going on.
I effectively had more money in my pocket.
Anyway, this wan wants me to write a "Recession, what recession??" piece for her paper.
Fucking photo and everything.
Like I'm not enough of a cunt already, without telling the country.

I told her no way. I'm sure someone did it.

I was very fortunate that nobody gave a shit about what I said or thought back in my 20s.

 

[Lili Marlene]

There’s not much I like about Ireland, so I live in London

I kind of liked this piece, although probably not quite as much as it seemed to like itself.

 

[therealjohnny]

I was thinking of the article below specifically when replying...
‘I’m trying my utmost to ride the storm’: an unemployed graduate’s story

"I have a heavy heart. I never thought I would be in this position; in the same position as people who have never pursued goals, never had ambition, engaged in lives of debauchery and who are currently, in the eyes of the government, on a par with me."

wow

 

[egg_]

She's done everything you're supposed to and there was supposed to be cake.
She is currently cakeless and quite unhappy about it.

It's not just a recent "follow your dreams" thing - when I was in school there was a pretty strong "work hard and do what you're told and there will be cake" message promulgated by the schools and priests and music teachers and even at home. I swallowed it, and was pretty pissed off for a long time that I didn't get what was coming to me.

Then I grew up. She's young, she'll get over herself

 

[Lili Marlene]

It's a really complicated issue, you have to take into consideration how work is changing, people are encouraged to make their work their entire life - always on call. Wow you work for google! Yeah, but you're just a sales drone, but in Google! 24-7.

Not to mention that there's little or no protection from the market. There was a Planet Money a while back which argued that that entire corporation system (non-freelancing) looks like it may have just been a 20th century blip - Episode 593: Who Had The First Job?

And also the whole "this job is creative so we won't pay you for it" culture of interning.

AND also the automation of jobs meaning that there's less and less non specialist jobs in general, i.e. jobs that you don't need to study for several years to be able to do. Time that could be spent outside of work 'being creative' (whatever the fuck that means) is now spent getting ready for the average-paying job. I know there's talk that most jobs will be automated by the 2030's or so...

So yeah, all of that I think is a much better conversation to be had than just "kids today, huh." see also - Old Economy Steven | Know Your Meme

 

[therealjohnny]

They did. Remember that article by the guy who used to run Dubliner magazine? I think when it folded he obviously got a big payoff .

I got my first paid job as an illustrator with them. I was all set to negotiate a big drop in my fee to get on good terms with them. I thought , I'll only ask for 150 per illo and maybe it'll lead to better things. I was quite taken aback when the gave me 50 for two drawings. Not exactly Conde Nast they joked...not exactly minimum wage I thought.

 

[hugh]

Yeah, sometimes these sorts of articles come across as whining but as Lili says the whole nature of the job "market" has changed. People go on about this supposed sense of "entitlement" that 20-something college graduates have but they are at least "entitled" to get paid for the work that they do rather than study for 4-6 years and then be expected to go and work for nothing for an indefinite period.

 

[Scientician 0.8]

Do a stupid degree and spend a decade or more recovering from a decision you made at 17.

 

[therealjohnny]

The level of disassociation with 'ordinary' workers is astonishing, and it angers up my blood.

 

[Scientician 0.8]

Also WWN is not very funny.

 

[egg_]

Every year when summer rolls around I say to Mrs. egg_ ... "if only we had decided to be primary school teachers". It's only after 20 years of me working as a programmer and her as an ecologist (that's scientist ecologist, not hippie) that we're making around as much money as we would be if that's what we'd done instead (and we may well never make up the difference), and oh god the holidays

 

[Scientician 0.8]

Every year when summer rolls around I say to Mrs. egg_ ... "if only we had decided to be primary school teachers". It's only after 20 years of me working as a programmer and her as an ecologist (that's scientist ecologist, not hippie) that we're making around as much money as we would be if that's what we'd done instead (and we may well never make up the difference), and oh god the holidays

I think I mentioned elsewhere that this year is the first year I've had paid leave.

 

[hugh]

True, but 20 years ago you might have had a shot at actually getting the fabled permanent pensionable teaching job because they still existed. Now they are all part-time, temporary etc etc.

 

[Lili Marlene]

The level of disassociation with 'ordinary' workers is astonishing, and it angers up my blood.

it's hard to get over the

people who have never pursued goals, never had ambition, engaged in lives of debauchery and who are currently, in the eyes of the government, on a par with me

bit alright.