US politics (7 Viewers)

[ernesto]

I get a sense that the democrats are going to repeat the same mistake as last time that is taking their position for granted and refusing to support Sanders it's painful to watch. What they have going for themselves really is whatever ati-trump sentiment is out there.

Why would any decent tuned-in voter NOT vote for Sandwra?!
Boggles the mind!

 

[Richie]

Can they not see that Biden is going to crash and burn in the general election (by that I mean probably win the popular vote and lose the stupid college system), clearly the doddery sundowning gaffes are only going to get worse over the next 6 months and Trump will hammer him over and over again with dark allegations about Ukraine etc. It's clear the entire US political establishment would rather self detonate than let commie Bernie within a million miles of the rudder, or he might try and make them a bit more like Denmark or something..

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

Why would any decent tuned-in voter NOT vote for Sanders?!
Boggles the mind!

Honestly?
He's not in tune with a majority of voters, and not even Dem voters.
The two big things I hear people mention are -
He wants to take away people's health care and replace it with a new system.
He wants the taxpayer to pay for everyone's college and all outstanding debt.

However you feel about those things, a majority of voters in the US consider them overreach.

It might sound weird that people don't want healthcare, but the US is different.
It sounds like you're asking people to give up their private healthcare cars and being told to take the free bus. They don't want it.
You can't force democracy on the middle east, and you can't force healthcare on US voters.

People vote against their self-interest all the time. The US is no different.

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

Trump will hammer him over and over again with dark allegations about Ukraine etc.

Yeah, I expect if I turn on Fox News right now they'll be talking about Hunter Biden

 

[flashback]

Why would any decent tuned-in voter NOT vote for Sandwra?!
Boggles the mind!

Because it can be a pain in the hole to vote here. If you're young, you most likely have a "thank fuck I have a job" job. You get fuck all time off, you're under pressure, and the voting booth is fuck knows where.

Plus, it's a primary. To vote in a primary (I think) you have to be a registered Dem / Rep. If that's not the case, it's the perception at least. So, you drag your itchy hole over to the voting place over lunch, and low and behold it's a massive shitshow, lines all over the shop. And it's not even the "real thing yet", it's... the primary. Sure, Sanders was kicking ass right? No worries.

So, you decide you'll come back later. But something crops up in work, and you're fucking exhausted anyway.


*Biden* Sanders voters are boomers. They have their job, they are the boss or they are senior. They've been doing their job for ages, and they know bloody well they can fuck off for an hour or two and get the vote done. Or, they're retired, they don't have to worry about work.


I mean, I'm obviously pulling this out of my arse, but I think it might be something like that.

It's a load of bollocks, but there it is.

And... yeah, this fucking Biden prick is going to inspire absolutely no fucker. It's not a done deal, I think lots of people here are quite fucked off with Trump, and would vote for pretty much anything else on the planet resembling a human over that cunt.

But, yeah, it's not good.

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

Sanders voters are boomers.

Uhm?

Pretty sure they are all bros, bro.

 

[flashback]

Uhm?

Pretty sure they are all bros, bro.

sorry, I meant Biden voters.

fucking got a bit carried away there, boss.

 

[flashback]

Honestly?
He's not in tune with a majority of voters, and not even Dem voters.
The two big things I hear people mention are -
He wants to take away people's health care and replace it with a new system.
He wants the taxpayer to pay for everyone's college and all outstanding debt.

However you feel about those things, a majority of voters in the US consider them overreach.

It might sound weird that people don't want healthcare, but the US is different.
It sounds like you're asking people to give up their private healthcare cars and being told to take the free bus. They don't want it.
You can't force democracy on the middle east, and you can't force healthcare on US voters.

People vote against their self-interest all the time. The US is no different.

I mean, yeah.

You're not completely wrong. That's certainly what the DNC thinks. Sanders is too scary, he's coming for your money, he's going to make everyone have abortions and smoke weed. He most likely hates Jesus.

The problem is, Trump shouldn't have won the prev election. He did because he stirred up enough angry racist white people to get out and vote. If Romney had won that Primary, the racists wouldn't have bothered, and Romney would have lost.

So, there's this other thing at play. Same for Obama. Obama is (brace yourself) a black dude. Lots of people came shooting into the voting booth thinking, hello, if we elect some black dude God knows what's going to happen, but something might happen!

The "being a woman" thing kiiiiinda worked. It's a bit of a novelty, but that was offset to fuck by being Hilary Fucking Clinton. Basically the only person on the planet that could lose to the Rapey Mc Mushroom dick.

Warren has the "being a woman" thing going for her, and she has the not "being Hilary Fucking Clinton" thing going for her. She might do OK. I don't find her... well, anything. She's fine. She's an old school Tory. She's as conservative as Obama. I'd vote for her in a second, but I'd vote for Biden too.

Sanders has the scary socialist thing going on, but Obama was a FUCKING BLACK DUDE. I still don't completely understand how he won, but he definitely did win.

That's the point, you only have to get... like, 4% inspired. Most people will just vote Rep/Dem, regardless of what happens. So, all you're hunting for is that extra couple of %. That might be women, or black people, or Latin people, or filthy pinkos, or whatever.

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

You're not completely wrong.

Nicest thing anyone's ever said to me here

Obama was a FUCKING BLACK DUDE.

Part of what got us Trump
All those racist antibodies

 

[flashback]

Nicest thing anyone's ever said to me here

I'm like... 60% charm. Plus I've got the accent. I'm basically moist pussy, on demand.


And, I'm not sure if I've mentioned it before, but... that ass? Fun for all the family.

And by family I mean your gay uncle.

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

My gay uncle is dead.



Also, can we burn down the internet?

 

[Lili Marlene]

Sanders ain't out yet, stacked against him for sure though. Its up to him now to convince the undecided/the passive Biden voter.

Hard to convince those who already have healthcare and are utterly at the mercy of the whims of their employer over it to take a risk at solidarity. Reagan and Thatcher won big in the 80s (by enforcing their purity politics funnily enough) against this and for many they won forever.

Still though, Biden is the last gasp of the market will solve everything neoliberalism, not the start of anything new. Jurys out on whether the planet can survive another 4 years of same old, same old but we live in hope.

 

[flashback]

My gay uncle is dead.

Aye. Both of my gay uncles are dead. Both offed themselves.

70's/80's Ireland, wha?

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

Aye. Both of my gay uncles are dead. Both offed themselves.

70's/80's Ireland, wha?

So it goes

 

[hydromancer]

I'd be interested to see what kind of effect a no Trump might have on Brexit. Biden identifies as Irish American I think so presumably he could be good for us. I think it's even possible he might do it it all depends on what kind of support Trump still has.

 

[Unicron]

Warren out

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

Warren out

My girl.
Best candidate - for my money- in the race by a distance.
Really thought she had a shot there last year.

Hopefully she gets a job in a new Dem administration.

 

[Lili Marlene]

Warren out

I wonder will she endorse anyone? I reckon her vote would divide fairly evenly between Biden and Sanders.

 

[hydromancer]

Don't think she will endorse Biden or Bernie

 

[hermie]

I wonder will she endorse anyone? I reckon her vote would divide fairly evenly between Biden and Sanders.

Could Bernie have won Massachusetts if she had dropped out a bit earlier? Does it even matter?