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[ernesto]

Rented a polestar for a few days in Scotland recently. Great car

It's no Volvo

 

[dudley]

You're no volvo

 

[pete]

It’s some manner of division/subsidiary of Volvo. A relative worked for polestar for a while and they were VERY keen not to be associated with Volvo.

 

[magicbastarder]

they're not doing a very good job.

"The Polestar 2 is a battery electric 5-door liftback produced by the Swedish automaker Volvo under its Polestar sub-brand."

Polestar 2 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[ann post]

The whole auto industry sub brand thing is a huge window into our petty perceptions.
My car is a Citroen that's made my Toyota that costs less than a Toyota because of what people believe even though it's the same car from the same factory.
UTM has a Skoda that costs less than a VW that is made in the VW factory in essentially a golf with Skoda written on it.

Millions of Euro markup because perceptions add eh, value? Value is the wrong word..the surrounding mythology is shown in the price. We are silly creatures.

 

[magicbastarder]

the brand seat is going to be dumped; they're pivoting to the cupra brand. seat sat alongside skoda (and skoda have been slowly becoming more premium in price over the years).

 

[ernesto]

It’s some manner of division/subsidiary of Volvo. A relative worked for polestar for a while and they were VERY keen not to be associated with Volvo.

They no longer have anything to do with them.
They were a sub brand but all they took is a minor design influence.
Safety and build quality of polestar is not as good as Volvo

 

[ernesto]

You're no volvo

This is true

 

[magicbastarder]

They no longer have anything to do with them.
They were a sub brand but all they took is a minor design influence.
Safety and build quality of polestar is not as good as Volvo

the wikipedia entry for polestar states they're still nearly 50% owned by volvo.

 

[ernesto]

the wikipedia entry for polestar states they're still nearly 50% owned by volvo.

it's outdated

 

[ann post]

One way to look at it.
If you buy a polestar is it a Volvo with different bling, or is it 100% a different chassis, drive train and factory.

Because like if you were buying a Volvo in recent years ( @Deadmanposting ) you are largely buying a ford engineered thing*

*Then of course ford subbed out engine design to mitsubishi at times....

 

[ernesto]

One way to look at it.
If you buy a polestar is it a Volvo with different bling, or is it 100% a different chassis, drive train and factory.

Because like if you were buying a Volvo in recent years ( @Deadmanposting ) you are largely buying a ford engineered thing*

*Then of course ford subbed out engine design to mitsubishi at times....

Polestar is a completely different to Volvo.
They just had their name on the company for a while (to lend some credibility presumably).
Think they sold up their last few shares in February. It’s not by Volvo.

It was a Volvo in the same way a Mini Cooper is a bmw

 

[Deadmanposting]

One way to look at it.
If you buy a polestar is it a Volvo with different bling, or is it 100% a different chassis, drive train and factory.

Because like if you were buying a Volvo in recent years ( @Deadmanposting ) you are largely buying a ford engineered thing*

*Then of course ford subbed out engine design to mitsubishi at times....

They are Chinese since the global finacial crisis

But everything I've read says that the Chinese let the Swedes cook

 

[magicbastarder]

‘Hard to argue against’: mandatory speed limiters come to the EU and NI

All new cars must have the devices from 7 July, adding fuel economy as well as safety. Will mpg become the new mph?

www.theguardian.com

 

[ann post]

‘Hard to argue against’: mandatory speed limiters come to the EU and NI

All new cars must have the devices from 7 July, adding fuel economy as well as safety. Will mpg become the new mph?

www.theguardian.com

I'm sure this'll have the jeremy clarksons of the world whinging for months - I'd possibly like the tech to go a bit further - limited speed and limited miles per gallon. The idea that a few lines of code could be 5% drop in transport emmissions across Europe is not to be ignored.

 

[magicbastarder]

I've debated it on boards. The usual complaint is 'sometimes I need to accelerate beyond the limit to avoid a potential hazard' and it does strike me like that special pleading of 'sometimes wearing a seatbelt makes you more likely to be injured' you occasionally hear.

 

[ann post]

I've debated it on boards. The usual complaint is 'sometimes I need to accelerate beyond the limit to avoid a potential hazard' and it does strike me like that special pleading of 'sometimes wearing a seatbelt makes you more likely to be injured' you occasionally hear.

I know there probably isn't a way to talk sense into that. If such a fringe case actually happened, you'd be putting yourself in the legally responsible bracket by breaking the speed limit. But look it i grew up in boy racer land. It's really hard to argue against 6-10 billion euro of global advertising budget.

 

[magicbastarder]

The usual example given would be mid overtake, and something unexpected happens which leaves you with the choice of abandoning the manoeuvre, or accelerating to complete it. This *can* happen, but so rarely it'd barely make a dent in the argument I think.