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I think this is an often overlooked scenario in punk/hardcore. It's pretty much the same as how mainstream media buids up bands to knock them down. It definately is a case of popularity is not welcome in punk/hardcore scenes as any band who gets populer gets knocked by the too punk for their own good type. It really is a shame as bands who have or had the potential to maybe have a positive influence end up not feeling welcome by the people who made them popular in the first place.tommytrousers said:but they feel they have been the victims of constant sniping from the extreme fringes of the DIY scene so they just threw their hands up and went the whole hog on what big business was offering them.
Problematic said:Well Fat is distributed by Red (which is a subsidiary of Sony) so they are pretty tied to a major, Against Me had nothing to gain by signing to a major when they know the only big advantage to a major is distribution, they have this with Fat so it is all neat and tidy for them. Against Me are astute businessmen, they know Fat pays higher royalties than the majors, and they also know that they will sell well on Fat and they know they will be able to continue to make records on Fat for as long as they want. If they did sign to a major, there is a tiny chance they would break big like Green Day but considering they are nowhere as near poppy or accessible, chances are they would sell fuck all in major terms and consequently be shopping for a new label in 12 months time. Their decision to go with Fat had nothing to do with ethics and everything to do with buiness. They can work with and make money for a major but not “actually” sign on the dotted for a major. Stuff like how much or how little they spent on a video is just cosmetic bullshit, they could have spent a lot to make it look a little, either way their video budget is a redundant point. The point about the DVD is the same, it is their DVD, of course after all the shit they’ve gotten they were going to show all the big record execs and how they turned them down to stay punx. Also Lam, the thing that gets up peoples ass about Against Me is the lack of integrity once the cash appeared. Against Me worked very hard to build an image around not caring about money and wanting to do everything for free. To me, that is a problem, not that they are successful and making money and being top notch businessmen, just that they got popular by making themselves out to be the opposite. There is huge difference in “a world where music is free” (their words) and putting together a hugely professional money making machine that involves guarantess, contracts, merchandising licences and seriously questionable package tours. Anyway, I could go on and on about why this band are a sack of shit but you wanted only one valid reason
Shut the fuck up Cormac, we are trying to look punk here. Sheesh!Cormcolash said:Just in relation to Fat (W)rec(k)ords, I have done a gig for at least one Fat band and the band and everyone that was with them were all really really dead-on funny people, they had a good time playing in Giro's in the middle of Winter in front of about 80 people, and they weren't particularly worried about money at all, they just wanted to play in Belfast and see what it was like. As far as I am aware they are not involved whatsoever in the running of the label, but they signed to it and they were fuckin sound guys.
niallmc said:Out of interest has anyone asked Against Me what their take on this is?
Cormcolash said:Just in relation to Fat (W)rec(k)ords, I have done a gig for at least one Fat band and the band and everyone that was with them were all really really dead-on funny people, they had a good time playing in Giro's in the middle of Winter in front of about 80 people, and they weren't particularly worried about money at all, they just wanted to play in Belfast and see what it was like. As far as I am aware they are not involved whatsoever in the running of the label, but they signed to it and they were fuckin sound guys.
JANER said:Oh ffs stfu about this band whoever the fuck they are, loads more bands out there.........jeez you'd swear your ole granny had brought home a toyboy the way yas are all going on
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