Referendums 24, a woman's place is wherever she wants it to be? (1 Viewer)

[egg_]

So we kick out this archaic language on women, and we replace it with wording that promises basically nothing?

We replace a promise that has never been honoured with something that makes no promises. Seems legit

Honestly I'd say very few people think this referendum actually matters

 

[therealjohnny]

here, shouldn't it be "no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no there are no limits?

 

[pete]

here, shouldn't it be "no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no there are no limits?

No.

Edit: yes.

 

[Deadmanposting]

We replace a promise that has never been honoured with something that makes no promises. Seems legit

Honestly I'd say very few people think this referendum actually matters

Well, exactly.
There was an opportunity to do something real with childcare or elder care and so on
And they've just kumbaya'd it, like we're in a fecking healing circle.

Aside from the actual merits of the referendum., it will be interesting to see who turns out for this.
Marriage equality - which should have really been a slam dunk, got by with what, 60% odd?

I wonder how many younger voters will show up for this.
But if every political party is going Molly Bloom yes, yes on this, then they should get it home.


Meaningless stuff like this devalues referenda though. And it devalues what citizen's assemblies bring to the table.

 

[therealjohnny]

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[nuke terrorist]

Why does the constitution need to have a definition of family or any mention of family at all?

 

[therealjohnny]

There are lots of "what ifs" here but this seems to cut to the meat of it

Referendum is a recipe for chaos and uncertainty - Michael McDowell

www.michaelmcdowell.ie

"The bottom line is that these referendums are not necessary to achieve any policy goal; they bring damaging and costly uncertainty into whole swathes of law, from pensions, family law, tax law, migration law, residence, law and succession law to name but a few."

 

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What are the comments saying?

 

[therealjohnny]

What are the comments saying?

I thought anyone could click a twitter link and read it wiythout logging in?


Here's a flavour

 

[rettucs]

twitter is for cunts

 

[egg_]

"The bottom line is that these referendums are not necessary to achieve any policy goal; they bring damaging and costly uncertainty into whole swathes of law, from pensions, family law, tax law, migration law, residence, law and succession law to name but a few."

I'm fond of a bit of chaos and uncertainty myself, tbh

 

[egg_]

Why does the constitution need to have a definition of family or any mention of family at all?

I expect families need to have a basis in law for stuff like children's allowance, parents sharing their tax credits with each other, inheritance, child support payments, etc etc

 

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Them and Flac are right, I think.
We are needlessly putting a word goulash in the constitution, when what is needed is legislation, or at least test legislation.


Interesting that the groups - Flac and ENC - with actual boots on the ground, so to speak, are calling for a No.

 

[ernesto]

My Da just made a good point;

Often poorly performing governments will push through a referendum before a general election that really isn't that important, to deflect from their own failures as it allows people to vent their anger by mostly Voting 'no', thus letting them think they're sticking it to the man. And will be less pissed off at them when the general election rolls around

 

[ann post]

I don't see loads and loads of women talking about voting yes on the internet, maybe I'm under a cyber rock?

Or are loads of women who actually have kids and consider the option of not working at times during parenting looking at this long and hard?

Anyone heard anyone say anything?

 

[ernesto]

I don't see loads and loads of women talking about voting yes on the internet, maybe I'm under a cyber rock?

Or are loads of women who actually have kids and consider the option of not working at times during parenting looking at this long and hard?

Anyone heard anyone say anything?

Not a fucking whisper

 

[shitepipe]

I expect families need to have a basis in law for stuff like children's allowance, parents sharing their tax credits with each other, inheritance, child support payments, etc etc

Nah, it's just a legacy of patriarchy and property ownership

 

[pete]

I don't see loads and loads of women talking about voting yes on the internet, maybe I'm under a cyber rock?

Or are loads of women who actually have kids and consider the option of not working at times during parenting looking at this long and hard?

Anyone heard anyone say anything?

not yet - and i'm married to one

 

[Deadmanposting]

I'm the only one in the family group to have brought it up

I asked everyone their kids' shoe sizes



The cohort I'm interested to hear from is the Mammys that still do most of the cooking cleaning and rearing in the house and now getting that recognition pulled from the Constitution
Fine for a bunch of Stoneybatter young wans to say the wording is archaic, but plenty of women are still living that role very proudly and maybe like it in there

I mean maybe no one gives a fuck also

 

[nuke terrorist]

I am brilliant at house cleaning and do all my own cooking, laundry and shopping.
I can't recommend my lifestyle highly enough.