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pete (28 Sep, 2001 02:38 p.m.):
I look at it slightly different. I can't / won't drive a car. Unless I'm a passenger in someone else's vehicle, I will never need to drive over a toll bridge. With the design/build/operate model, over a period of time, the people who actually benefit from it being there end up paying for it. Which seems fair enough to me.
pete (28 Sep, 2001 02:38 p.m.):
As i'm in work i don't really have time to respond properly.
peepee (01 Oct, 2001 01:56 p.m.):
pete (28 Sep, 2001 02:38 p.m.):
As i'm in work i don't really have time to respond properly.
i'd hate to see how much you'd write if you had a bit of spare time on your hands...
Spudmonkey999 (01 Oct, 2001 03:08 p.m.):
Since when has street theatre become a form of violent protest.
yojimbo (01 Oct, 2001 04:22 p.m.):
One problem the government in Britain had with PPP was that once hospitals had been built by private contractors the government found itself paying back the money at pretty high interest rates, so that they'd have been better off if they'd just borrowed the money from a bank. If I had the book I read this in to hand I'd give you figures and all but you get the idea.
Plus, PPP often includes the private company managing the facility or hospital or whatever. Even though it's public money that's ultimately paying (over the odds) for it.
Basically it seems to me that PPP offers governments a short-term easy way out of their obligations which, as always, they jump at.
Conor (02 Oct, 2001 01:37 p.m.):
d'ya think somewhere like dear old TCD here counts as PPP? is this a bad thing?
Spudmonkey999 (01 Oct, 2001 03:08 p.m.):
cormy i gotta disagree with you there, saying that peaceful protest is only for wnakers is a bit fucking harsh. I do like the idea of street carnivals , street theatre and creative subversity but since when did these things become a form of non peaceful protest. Since when has street theatre become a form of violent protest.
Direct action is good under some circumstances but for the large part it does alienate a lot of onlookers who will never even try to understand the meaning of any protest if all they see is clones throwing bricks at cops. Direct action can be a form of peaceful protest so dont forget it.
Direct Action isn't specifically peaceful protest, it may not be violent (what is & isn't to be considered violence is completely relative and a different debate altogether), but by definition it has to be physical and possibly confrontational...which excludes it from being "peaceful" protest.
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