Palestine (3 Viewers)

[hugh]

Point being that Hamas are also likely to settle for a hell of a lot less than the destruction of Israel eh?

Precisely ...

 

[the strange guy]

Very close. Usually their polls are outright yes or no.

Nicely phrased question, isn't it?

How would you have phrased it?
I think it's posed quite well - brief and concise.
A question for a poll like this must be as short as possible.

 

[Froog]

i think all the israeli's, all the palestinians, hamas, syrians, egyptians, iranians and the US and EU should all sit down and decide how to wipe out the blacks.

 

[D0njo]

i think all the israeli's, all the palestinians, hamas, syrians, egyptians, iranians and the US and EU should all sit down and decide how to wipe out the blacks.

Now you're talking.



....and the jews

 

[the strange guy]

Agreed.

 

[hugh]

The votes are in!

Is Israel right to destroy Hamas?
46% Yes
54% No

http://www.irishtimes.com/polls/index.cfm?fuseaction=yesnopoll&pollid=8672

I hope there's a follow up poll tomorrow:

Is Hamas right to seek to destroy Israel?

 

[Tinpot Anto]

BBC says 195 of the 600-odd Palestinian dead are children. Just so youse all know.

 

[robitusson]

hamas goal is the "total obliteration of the state of israel", that's fact, you'll read it anywhere.

Is there a difference between wanting to obliterate the state of Israel and the actual obliteration of the people of Palestine? (There's no Palestinian state to obliterate.) I think if you had been forced off your land in 1967 and lived in an open-air prison in humiliation and violence since then, you might want to do away with the state that did it too. It doesn't make Hamas right, it just acknowledges the cause and effect that gave rise to this carnage.

 

[hugh]

Is there a difference between wanting to obliterate the state of Israel and the actual obliteration of the people of Palestine?

Yes, this is kind of the crux of the matter really. There is a clear difference. In one case you are talking about obliterating a political entity (i.e. a state), in the other case you are talking about obliterating people. People, on both sides of this thing, confuse these two things. They don't necessarily equate though obviously sometimes they do.

I don't believe though that Israel are trying to obliterate the people of Palestine, if that's what you are implying. If they wanted to do that they could. They are doing a pretty good job though of obliterating the whole apparatus of potential Palestinian statehood .. so in a sense they are obliterating the state before it has had any chance of coming into being.

 

[Froog]

lebanon stick their their oar in. oh crap.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/08/gaza-israelandthepalestinians2

 

[Milker]

lebanon stick their their oar in. oh crap.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/08/gaza-israelandthepalestinians2

''The Lebanese president, Fuad Saniora, condemned the rocket fire.
Saniora said it did not serve Lebanese, Palestinian or Arab interests and that Lebanese authorities were cooperating with UN peacekeepers in southern Lebanon in investigating the incident.''


Will Israel buy that?

 

[jillface]

i know a few people who have gone to palestine and who write for this site. not sure if it's been posted before but i thought it might be worthwhile to post here for those of you who are interested in what's going on.

http://www.palestinemonitor.org/spip/

 

[Tinpot Anto]

Israeli forces shelled a house in the Gaza Strip which they had moved around 110 Palestinians into 24 hours earlier, the UN quotes witnesses as saying.
The UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) called it "one of the gravest incidents" since the beginning of the offensive.
The shelling at Zeitoun, a south-east suburb of Gaza City, on 5 January killed some 30 people, the report said.
Israel said the allegations were being investigated.
"According to several testimonies, on 4 January Israeli foot soldiers evacuated approximately 110 Palestinians into a single-residence house in Zeitoun (half of whom were children) warning them to stay indoors," the OCHA report said.
"Twenty-four hours later, Israeli forces shelled the home repeatedly, killing approximately 30."
The UN said those who survived and were able walked 2km to the main north-south road to be transported to hospital in civilian vehicles.
"Three children, the youngest of whom was five months old, died upon arrival at the hospital," the report said.
An estimated 770 Palestinians and 14 Israelies have died in nearly two weeks of Israel's air and ground offensive against the Palestinian militant group Hamas. The UN Security Council has called for an immediate ceasefire and the withdrawal of Israeli troops from Gaza.

From the BBC.

 

[therealjohnny]

has this been posted already?

http://www.myfreevideos.info/video/249JaIaubVw/George-Galloway-Savages-SKY-NEWS.html

 

[Cryptid]

14 Israelies have died in nearly two weeks of Israel's air and ground offensive against the Palestinian militant group Hamas.

I wonder does that include friendly fire? I think three Isreali soliders were hit by their own tank.

 

[Milker]

posted by johnnystress:

Re: Palestine
has this been posted already?

http://www.myfreevideos.info/video/2...-SKY-NEWS.html

i'd love to see him pissed...saw it at the time...think he's good at upsetting the cart and ferociously wrestles w the balance of broadcasted info...the 'bias' war is interesting but thats not where a solution lies...not sure he's got real solutions.





'what a silly person you are'...a much underused expression.

 

[Tinpot Anto]

I wonder does that include friendly fire? I think three Isreali soliders were hit by their own tank.

Yes it does, hilariously.

The IDF keep assuring the media that their strikes are surgically targetted at hamas fighters and strong holds, yet in the first day of the ground offensive they had 3 deaths and 26 injuries from 6 separate incidents of friendly fire.

 

[killy kill]

they don't make jews like jaysus anymore

 

[ponc]

Israeli tout recruiter gets shredded! Funny as feck... http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article10114.shtml

 

[the strange guy]

It's all under control, lads.

Obama camp 'prepared to talk to Hamas'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/08/barack-obama-gaza-hamas