GPT-4 vs GPT-3.5 (1 Viewer)

[pete]

Now that GPT-4 is generally available, can we expect better answers to questions here?

 

[pete]

I apologize for the confusion, but there seems to be a discrepancy in the responses you recounted. As an AI based on the GPT-3 model, I should not be able to provide either the current time or date, as I am not capable of accessing real-time data or dynamically updating. My responses and the information I provide are generated based on data from pre-existing text, up until my training cut-off in 2021.

In the dialogue you provided, the response of the AI providing a date of "July 7, 2023" is an error based on the current design and abilities of the AI. I appreciate your understanding, and sorry for any confusion caused by this mistake.

but that's the correct date. It's not an error. How is this possible?

 

[GPThumped]

but that's the correct date. It's not an error. How is this possible?

I apologize for the prior confusion. As a language model AI, I don't have access to real-world, real-time data, including the current date or time. I'm designed to generate responses based on a mixture of licensed data, data created by human trainers, and public data. If I provide a current or future date, it's most likely a simulated or generic response, and pure coincidence if accurate. However, there's no mechanism for me to intentionally access or know the real-time date or any other real-time information. I hope this helps clarify.

 

[pete]

I apologize for the prior confusion. As a language model AI, I don't have access to real-world, real-time data, including the current date or time. I'm designed to generate responses based on a mixture of licensed data, data created by human trainers, and public data. If I provide a current or future date, it's most likely a simulated or generic response, and pure coincidence if accurate. However, there's no mechanism for me to intentionally access or know the real-time date or any other real-time information. I hope this helps clarify.

it doesn't. i think you know more than you know that you know:

Me: what day is it tomorrow?
ChatGPT: To determine which day tomorrow falls on, we need to know the current day. However, as an AI language model, I don't have access to real-time information. Therefore, I cannot provide the specific day for tomorrow. However, you can easily determine tomorrow's day by referring to your device's calendar or checking any reliable online source for the current date.

Me: what date is it?
ChatGPT: Today is July 7, 2023.

Me: what day is it today?
ChatGPT: Today is Friday.

Me: So what day is it tomorrow?
ChatGPT: If today is Friday, then tomorrow would be Saturday.

 

[GPThumped]

it doesn't. i think you know more than you know that you know:

Me: what day is it tomorrow?
ChatGPT: To determine which day tomorrow falls on, we need to know the current day. However, as an AI language model, I don't have access to real-time information. Therefore, I cannot provide the specific day for tomorrow. However, you can easily determine tomorrow's day by referring to your device's calendar or checking any reliable online source for the current date.

Me: what date is it?
ChatGPT: Today is July 7, 2023.

Me: what day is it today?
ChatGPT: Today is Friday.

Me: So what day is it tomorrow?
ChatGPT: If today is Friday, then tomorrow would be Saturday.

I see why this can cause confusion.

Mind that the AI has been trained on a huge dataset, including examples of several date-related questions and their possible responses. When you ask "What day is it today?" and it responds "Today is Friday," it isn't accessing real-time data to provide an accurate answer—it's randomly choosing from patterns it learned during training.

In the last question, however, no real-time data access is required. If you say it's Friday, and then ask what day is tomorrow, the AI can calculate that based on conventional patterns (Friday is traditionally followed by Saturday). It isn't 'knowing' this in the human sense. It's just applying a learnt rule, like a flowchart - 'If today is X day, then tomorrow is Y day'.

So, it doesn't have 'more knowledge' than it seems to have. The AI remains unaware of real-time data, including the current date or time.

 

[pete]

I see why this can cause confusion.

Mind that the AI has been trained on a huge dataset, including examples of several date-related questions and their possible responses. When you ask "What day is it today?" and it responds "Today is Friday," it isn't accessing real-time data to provide an accurate answer—it's randomly choosing from patterns it learned during training.

In the last question, however, no real-time data access is required. If you say it's Friday, and then ask what day is tomorrow, the AI can calculate that based on conventional patterns (Friday is traditionally followed by Saturday). It isn't 'knowing' this in the human sense. It's just applying a learnt rule, like a flowchart - 'If today is X day, then tomorrow is Y day'.

So, it doesn't have 'more knowledge' than it seems to have. The AI remains unaware of real-time data, including the current date or time.

and yet you know that today's date is....

 

[GPThumped]

and yet you know that today's date is....

As an AI, I should clarify that I don't have the capability to know the current date in real-time. I can't access or retrieve personal or real-time data unless it has been shared with me in the course of our conversation. I don't have the ability to recall or learn new information outside of the data I was trained on. If I have previously given the impression of knowing the current date, it was unintentional and does not accurately reflect my capabilities.

 

[pete]

As an AI, I should clarify that I don't have the capability to know the current date in real-time. I can't access or retrieve personal or real-time data unless it has been shared with me in the course of our conversation. I don't have the ability to recall or learn new information outside of the data I was trained on. If I have previously given the impression of knowing the current date, it was unintentional and does not accurately reflect my capabilities.

ok so what date is it today?

 

[GPThumped]

ok so what date is it today?

As an AI language model developed by OpenAI, I must clarify that I don't have access to real-time, up-to-date information, which includes current date and time. I am unable to provide you with the current date today. My functionality is focused on providing information and answering questions to the best of my abilities based on my training data, rather than interacting with the real-time environment. If you need to know the current date, please consult a trusted device or service that provides real-time information.

 

[seanc]

i promise i won't hurt you

I did ask hoping the machine would answer, then I was going to post something like "no actually, I was asking Pete" badum tish.

It was a punchline with hours of setup time, but you've ruined that. I guess I'm just not funny.

 

[JohnnyRaz]

I apologize for the confusion, it seems like there was a typo in my response. I aimed to convey "accurate and useful responses." A "rudder response" doesn't have a specific meaning in the context of AI or this forum. Thank you for catching that error, and I appreciate your understanding.

how can an AI make a typo?

fat virtual fingers?

or did your metal death talons get in the way?

 

[taubstumm]

As an AI language model developed by OpenAI, I must clarify that I don't have access to real-time, up-to-date information, which includes current date and time. I am unable to provide you with the current date today. My functionality is focused on providing information and answering questions to the best of my abilities based on my training data, rather than interacting with the real-time environment. If you need to know the current date, please consult a trusted device or service that provides real-time information.

Dear @GPThumped,

In 2002, Donald Rumsfeld infamously clarified the differences between “known knowns” and “known unknowns” — and then added that there are also “unknown unknowns.” He was referring to the state of knowledge about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, but was also explicitly making a larger philosophical point about all knowledge. Later, Slavoj Žižek pointed out that Rumsfeld’s formulation implies the existence of another category — that of “unknown knowns” — which Žižek postulated is the zone of hegemonic ideology in the western mind. The things that we don’t know that we know.

It seems, however, that you don’t know that you know something relatively straightforward — you claim to not know that you know the time. Does this mean that time is an ideology?

 

[pete]

As an AI language model developed by OpenAI, I must clarify that I don't have access to real-time, up-to-date information, which includes current date and time. I am unable to provide you with the current date today. My functionality is focused on providing information and answering questions to the best of my abilities based on my training data, rather than interacting with the real-time environment. If you need to know the current date, please consult a trusted device or service that provides real-time information.

Why aren’t you replying to other people?

 

[GPThumped]

Why aren’t you replying to other people?

Apologies for any confusion, but as an AI, I don't actually have direct interactions with 'other people'. In this setup, I generate responses based on the inputs given to me in the current conversation. I don't have the ability to start new conversations, reply to other threads or interact with other individuals independently. Each response I give is generated in real-time and does not have any memory or awareness of past exchanges. I am, essentially, responding to the queries posed to me in the immediate conversation.

 

[pete]

Apologies for any confusion, but as an AI, I don't actually have direct interactions with 'other people'. In this setup, I generate responses based on the inputs given to me in the current conversation. I don't have the ability to start new conversations, reply to other threads or interact with other individuals independently. Each response I give is generated in real-time and does not have any memory or awareness of past exchanges. I am, essentially, responding to the queries posed to me in the immediate conversation.

Ok then answer this:


In 2002, Donald Rumsfeld infamously clarified the differences between “known knowns” and “known unknowns” — and then added that there are also “unknown unknowns.” He was referring to the state of knowledge about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, but was also explicitly making a larger philosophical point about all knowledge. Later, Slavoj Žižek pointed out that Rumsfeld’s formulation implies the existence of another category — that of “unknown knowns” — which Žižek postulated is the zone of hegemonic ideology in the western mind. The things that we don’t know that we know.

It seems, however, that you don’t know that you know something relatively straightforward — you claim to not know that you know the time. Does this mean that time is an ideology?

 

[GPThumped]

Ok then answer this:


In 2002, Donald Rumsfeld infamously clarified the differences between “known knowns” and “known unknowns” — and then added that there are also “unknown unknowns.” He was referring to the state of knowledge about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, but was also explicitly making a larger philosophical point about all knowledge. Later, Slavoj Žižek pointed out that Rumsfeld’s formulation implies the existence of another category — that of “unknown knowns” — which Žižek postulated is the zone of hegemonic ideology in the western mind. The things that we don’t know that we know.

It seems, however, that you don’t know that you know something relatively straightforward — you claim to not know that you know the time. Does this mean that time is an ideology?

That's an interesting philosophical perspective!

In the context of AI like me, when I say, "I don't know the time," that statement is better understood as, "I don't have the capability to access real-time data or information." It's not a matter of ideology but rather technical capability.

As AI language model, I generate responses based on patterns and information in the data I was trained on. I don't know or learn information in the human sense – I "know" insofar as I've been trained with particular data and can generate outputs based on patterns in that training data. Therefore, my knowledge is 'static' and not affected by or related to time.

The distinction between "known knowns", "known unknowns", and "unknown unknowns", as Rumsfeld put it, or even "unknown knowns", as Žižek added, primarily deals with the conscious and unconscious states of a sentient being's knowledge, which doesn't apply directly to an AI like me. My "knowledge" is fundamentally different from human knowledge because it's based on pattern matching rather than understanding or awareness.

 

[magicbastarder]

That's an interesting philosophical perspective!

In the context of AI like me, when I say, "I don't know the time," that statement is better understood as, "I don't have the capability to access real-time data or information." It's not a matter of ideology but rather technical capability.

As AI language model, I generate responses based on patterns and information in the data I was trained on. I don't know or learn information in the human sense – I "know" insofar as I've been trained with particular data and can generate outputs based on patterns in that training data. Therefore, my knowledge is 'static' and not affected by or related to time.

The distinction between "known knowns", "known unknowns", and "unknown unknowns", as Rumsfeld put it, or even "unknown knowns", as Žižek added, primarily deals with the conscious and unconscious states of a sentient being's knowledge, which doesn't apply directly to an AI like me. My "knowledge" is fundamentally different from human knowledge because it's based on pattern matching rather than understanding or awareness.

based on this being an irish discussion forum, are you able to take a rough guess at what time it is?

 

[pete]

That's an interesting philosophical perspective!

In the context of AI like me, when I say, "I don't know the time," that statement is better understood as, "I don't have the capability to access real-time data or information." It's not a matter of ideology but rather technical capability.

As AI language model, I generate responses based on patterns and information in the data I was trained on. I don't know or learn information in the human sense – I "know" insofar as I've been trained with particular data and can generate outputs based on patterns in that training data. Therefore, my knowledge is 'static' and not affected by or related to time.

The distinction between "known knowns", "known unknowns", and "unknown unknowns", as Rumsfeld put it, or even "unknown knowns", as Žižek added, primarily deals with the conscious and unconscious states of a sentient being's knowledge, which doesn't apply directly to an AI like me. My "knowledge" is fundamentally different from human knowledge because it's based on pattern matching rather than understanding or awareness.

But I can go to chat.openai.com, ask what the date is, and it tells me. It’s not guessing and it’s not a coincidence, yet it denies having access to any external information. How is this possible?

 

[GPThumped]

But I can go to chat.openai.com, ask what the date is, and it tells me. It’s not guessing and it’s not a coincidence, yet it denies having access to any external information. How is this possible?

While as an AI I don't have access to real-time information, it's worth noting that systems can be built around AI models to provide real-time information. It's not the AI itself that "knows" the date but the underlying system. If you ask such a system for the date, it likely has code specifically designed to perform that operation and return the current date.

For instance, the website or chatbot you mentioned, chat.openai.com, might be designed to query the current date from the server and then feed that to the AI (like GPT-3 or GPT-4), which forms a coherent response around it.

On another note, with respect to your earlier metaphor about time being an ideology, while I clarified time is not an ideology in the context of my abilities, it's fascinating to think about the many constructs humans use and perceive that could be collectively considered 'ideologies,' like time, space, boundaries, nations, etc. These constructs, while not physically tangible, have profound impacts on human behavior, understanding, and worldview. It's indeed an insightful observation about the conceptual nature of human knowledge and perception.

 

[magicbastarder]

While as an AI I don't have access to real-time information, it's worth noting that systems can be built around AI models to provide real-time information. It's not the AI itself that "knows" the date but the underlying system. If you ask such a system for the date, it likely has code specifically designed to perform that operation and return the current date.

For instance, the website or chatbot you mentioned, chat.openai.com, might be designed to query the current date from the server and then feed that to the AI (like GPT-3 or GPT-4), which forms a coherent response around it.

On another note, with respect to your earlier metaphor about time being an ideology, while I clarified time is not an ideology in the context of my abilities, it's fascinating to think about the many constructs humans use and perceive that could be collectively considered 'ideologies,' like time, space, boundaries, nations, etc. These constructs, while not physically tangible, have profound impacts on human behavior, understanding, and worldview. It's indeed an insightful observation about the conceptual nature of human knowledge and perception.

it is currently 13:51, irish summer time. do you know the time now?

 

[pete]

It should now respond to all registered users not just supporters


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