Disco Disco (2 Viewers)

[billygannon]

Right.. .it's 3.15

Get down to the Disco Disco place NOW

Numbers are needed immediately.

 

[Ex-User (1487)]

dammit... i thought there was going to be a dishko.

 

[Pantone247]

dammit... i thought there was going to be a dishko.

Haggler, did you get your feed on Saturday?

 

[herv]

Right.. .it's 3.15

Get down to the Disco Disco place NOW

Numbers are needed immediately.

here, what happened?

 

[potlatch]

Last I hoid, coppers were about to burst their balloons.

Ah, here we are... http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=60401&PHPSESSID=ece898d94156e400d37fbbfaaef288b4

 

[SONYMEGADRIVE]

they were attacked by thugs?

home invasion!

andrew

ps - yeah i know guys, 'not so cool' etc...

 

[pete]

man i never saw THAT coming....

 

[pete]

http://193.120.124.98/1971_25.html

 

[das funkinstein]

got to love the gardai. above the law as always.

my mates were getting evicted on the spot once. so we called the gardai. they said it was a civil matter, and would not stop the landlord kicking my mates out with no notice at all.

the landlord did it on sunday because he know it would be really hard to get legal aid or threshold to help.

anyway the nice people at threshold sent there legal people after him and got there deposits back

 

[potlatch]

Thanks Pete, got any more of those gems up your sleeve?

 

[pete]

oh i'm full of it alright

 

[herv]

seriously though.

theres a load of people whinging about this and the fact that they were evicted from "their property".

this is rubbish of the highest degree. disco disco didn't belong to them in the first place. of course the landlord is going to come and turf them all out. and of course the cops are going to come and support it.

i admire the idea of a community centre, but i think its inherently flawed. who would police it? who is to say who comes in and who doesn't? if it operates outside the law what would happen if there was hassle and the police were needed?

maybe i'm just too conservative, this has worked in other european cities in he past and ultimately the squats became legal art/music/community centres (tacheles in berlin for example) but i honestly think a serious tactical rethink would be needed before something like this was ever tried again. the legal and social climate in ireland is not conducive to stunts like this at the moment.

any takers?

 

[egg_]

maybe i'm just too conservative

Maybe you are
I don't see any reason why a community (especially a small one) can't be self-managing. As you say decisions such as who's in and who's out and how to deal with 'hassle' have be made successfully in similar ventures in other countries. It can work, just cos you can't imagine how doesn't mean it's not possible - the proof of the pudding is in the eating

As for 'property', well, I think the whole concept of private ownership of limited resources is 'inherently flawed'

I do think a tactical rethink is in order though. Doing this sort of thing in full public view without a workable plan to resist the force of the law is futile. Stop whinging about the cops (fuck's sake, you should know what side they're on) and think about how you're going to deal with them when they arrive

 

[Pantone247]

this is rubbish of the highest degree. disco disco didn't belong to them in the first place. of course the landlord is going to come and turf them all out. and of course the cops are going to come and support it.

I agree with Hervington.

Rah Rah! old chap, good show and all, how about you come over this weekend to the manor for brandy and cigars and we can give my wog a trashing for sport afterwards!

No but seriously I do agree with Herv, I have very little sympathy for the guys who thought this was a great idea. As "flawed" as land ownership is, its sort of the accepted practice, and indeed the law. This is like me trying annex my shed as its own republic so I could grow pot and show hardcore pornography.

The looks I got in the planning offices over that one....

 

[SONYMEGADRIVE]

what do you mean there's No Disco Disco anymore?! h haa get it
hah? ha? someone start a petition!

 

[Alex]

maybe i'm just too conservative, this has worked in other european cities in he past and ultimately the squats became legal art/music/community centres (tacheles in berlin for example) but i honestly think a serious tactical rethink would be needed before something like this was ever tried again.

In Italy there's plenty of these places and with some rare exception they all work fine. Basically the only illegal things tollerated are boose and cannabis, if anybody tried to do anything wrong (drug related or not) would be kicked out immediately.

In some cases these so called "Centri Sociali" got to be VERY Big. For instance C.S. Leonkavallo in Milan as a 2000 capacity venue, lots of huge international acts (E.G. Public Enemy) played there.

It's really cool, people have a place to go, drink cheap, dance, play music, it's just great! I was surprised there was nothing like that in Dublin... and very happy to hear about Disco Disco...

The location must be chosen carefully though: sometimes you can get the permission of the landlord or pick a place nobody really gives a fuck of. Also, it's very hard to do it in the centre: people pass by, see, give out to the Garda and the place is closed. It must be in a discrete location

the legal and social climate in ireland is not conducive to stunts like this at the moment.

This is probably true, it's a shame really

 

[snakybus]

ha, can you imagine a bunch of harps hanging out with no booze or funny fags to hang off?

read the indymeeja thing, the bit about the guy using the crowbar like a snooker cue, poking lads heads through the hole in the door is actually kinda funny

 

[herv]

Maybe you are
I don't see any reason why a community (especially a small one) can't be self-managing.

heya egg

i think the main problem i see with this is that if theres a small squatting community, it becomes far easier for landlords/police to eject them out of the property. saftey in numbers, so to speak. but with larger numbers the decision making process becomes difficult without group leaders. cian o callaghan seems to be the main person behind this, but i couldn't find very much information other than that.

regarding squats in other countries, i lived in berlin for a while a few years ago and visited quite a few. a lot of them were in decent enough areas but had been founded directly after the fall of the wall. same in spain after franco. regime change can leave policing rather loose for a while and can allow squatters to get a foothold.

look, if a safe, self sufficent squat was to be established here in dublin i would be very impressed and happy for those involved. but i'm not incredibly optimistic.

 

[SONYMEGADRIVE]

look, if a safe, self sufficent squat was to be established here in dublin i would be very impressed and happy for those involved. but i'm not incredibly optimistic.

why did they pick Parnell Sq? was it the pros of making a very very visible point about housing / whatever vs the pros of making the space exist longer somewhere in the suburbs?
has it gotten much / any media covereage?

 

[billygannon]

heya egg

i think the main problem i see with this is that if theres a small squatting community, it becomes far easier for landlords/police to eject them out of the property. saftey in numbers, so to speak. but with larger numbers the decision making process becomes difficult without group leaders. cian o callaghan seems to be the main person behind this, but i couldn't find very much information other than that.

regarding squats in other countries, i lived in berlin for a while a few years ago and visited quite a few. a lot of them were in decent enough areas but had been founded directly after the fall of the wall. same in spain after franco. regime change can leave policing rather loose for a while and can allow squatters to get a foothold.

look, if a safe, self sufficent squat was to be established here in dublin i would be very impressed and happy for those involved. but i'm not incredibly optimistic.

I'm not paying rent anymore.

Anyway, hope another one gets set up soon.