Coronavirus: Better Call Sol - CORONAMANIA (17 Viewers)

[Lili Marlene]

seeing increasing internet commentary along the jist of "we can't do this forever, lets just let old people die, it doesn't affect me. the economy"

I'm assuming from people that don't work in hospitals.

so that's nice.

The saddest human beings on the planet, the ones who have absolutely absorbed and internalized the viewpoint that the entire point of human existence is to keep the economy moving along. There can be no other reason to live, old people have lost their only use and are now a drain. These people are absolute freaks.

 

[_Katie_]

The saddest human beings on the planet, the ones who have absolutely absorbed and internalized the viewpoint that the entire point of human existence is to keep the economy moving along. There can be no other reason to live, old people have lost their only use and are now a drain. These people are absolute freaks.

Can't remember who said it, for most, its easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.

Most people's identity is deeply tied to their role in work. People have lost touch with their souls. Ask someone who they are, they'll tell you what they do. I think this crisis reveals a deep hole in human spirituality, a sense of self and emotional depth.

Thanks for coming to my ted talk.

 

[dudley]

Seemingly increasing evidence that even if you survive, Covid_19 does permanent damage to the body.

Coronavirus infection may cause lasting damage throughout the body, doctors fear

Some patients who have recovered from coronavirus infection are suffering lasting damage, including liver damage, heart damage and blood clotting problems.

www.latimes.com

And the WHO getting less confident about the idea that you can be immune after being infected

WHO officials say it's unclear whether recovered coronavirus patients are immune to second infection

"With regards to recovery and then reinfection, I believe we do not have the answers to that. That is an unknown," Dr. Mike Ryan, executive director of WHO's emergencies program, said at a press conference Monday.

www.cnbc.com

so, those fuckers starting to talk about fucking over the more at-risk of our friends and families, let them go have their covid_19 party in an abandoned warehouse somewhere, and seal the fucker up

 

[hugh]

Can't remember who said it, for most, its easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.

It's either Slavoj Zizek or Frederic Jameson. It's like the "dancing about architecture quote" - no-one agrees who said it first. Also "popularised" by Mark Fisher.

 

[egg_]

Christ @dudley that's a tough bit of reading to start the week with

 

[Unicron]

I'm assuming from people that don't work in hospitals.

GF's sister is a hospital pharmacist and has it. Seems to be doing well and is recovering at home. Strangely her partner seems to have avoided it. I'm not sure what sort of distancing they were doing in the house, they probably assumed that she'd catch it at some point and were careful.

 

[dudley]

My amusing Corona tale for the weekend. The wife and I went shopping on Thursday night, big, though speedy queues to get into Tesco. Everyone in the place wearing a face mask though.
Thought maybe it's time to bite the bullet and finally get some, so the wife went over to the chemist to queue and asked the woman on the door did they sell facemasks, and where were they?
"oh, just over there, we have plenty don't worry".

And they did, plenty of Nivea mud pack style face masks.....

Still, my skin has never looked better

 

[dudley]

GF's sister is a hospital pharmacist and has it. Seems to be doing well and is recovering at home. Strangely her partner seems to have avoided it. I'm not sure what sort of distancing they were doing in the house, they probably assumed that she'd catch it at some point and were careful.

Could easily have caught and be asymptomatic, which I think there is a lot of. More good news!

 

[Unicron]

Mary Lou McDonald got a positive result back. She was tested on March 28th, a bad delay. Hope she's recovering ok, should be well on the mend by now.

 

[egg_]

Jaypers, no wonder she's been so quiet

 

[rettucs]

The saddest human beings on the planet, the ones who have absolutely absorbed and internalized the viewpoint that the entire point of human existence is to keep the economy moving along. There can be no other reason to live, old people have lost their only use and are now a drain. These people are absolute freaks.

that's a bit obtuse though. You can't overlook the fact that damage to the economy will also have knock-on effects to the health and wellbeing of people, and will likely be a direct contributing factor to many deaths.

While the fuckers being referred to here could be a little more tactful in making their point, the point has some merit.

Basically, this;

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but many on thumped probably know better than the WHO special envoy on Covid-19.

 

[Lili Marlene]

that's a bit obtuse though. You can't overlook the fact that damage to the economy will also have knock-on effects to the health and wellbeing of people, and will likely be a direct contributing factor to many deaths.

When you tie self-worth, purpose of existence and access to healthcare directly to wealth then you cannot overlook this, no. There is no law of nature that says health and wellbeing should be tied to that of the economy though, that is a law of capitalism dreamt up by humans.

While the fuckers being referred to here could be a little more tactful in making their point, the point has some merit.

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but many on thumped probably know better than the WHO special envoy on Covid-19.

The "new ways of living" could involve not using GDP as a universal measure of worth. So yeah, I agree with the WHO special envoy.

If anything, COVID-19 is a huge argument to change how we structure our countries/markets/lives since the current method cannot handle any interruption without immediately falling apart, not a particularly robust structure tbh.

 

[rettucs]

When you tie self-worth, purpose of existence and access to healthcare directly to wealth then you cannot overlook this, no. There is no law of nature that says health and wellbeing should be tied to that of the economy though, that is a law of capitalism dreamt up by humans.

nail on the head.

but that's where we're at, sadly.

 

[Lili Marlene]

nail on the head.

but that's where we're at, sadly.

This is an opportunity for change, and I don't mean violent revolution, I mean a reassessment. The Financial Times ran an editorial a week or so ago calling for a massive increase in government spending and what you might call tampering with the market; I see a news story today about how the German hospital system was criticized for years by politicians and "health economists" for its oversupply of beds, a system that is now (figuratively!!!) paying dividends. The writing might well be on the wall for the neoliberal way of thinking, something good might come of this.

Anyway, unrelated to that, thejournal ran an explainer podcast on Friday talking about how to read the COVID figures and one of the people interviewed mentioned that death figures across the world tend to drop on Sundays and rise on Tuesdays (due to a myriad of factors) so i'll be interested in seeing where we are today.

 

[dudley]

The Guardian have turned @laineydoyle's excellent thread into an article. Remains as sobering. Someone get this in front of BoJo asap

Why is coronavirus killing so many more people in the UK than in Ireland? | Elaine Doyle

In March, while the UK delayed, Ireland acted. For many this may prove to have been the difference between life and death, says researcher Elaine Doyle

www.theguardian.com

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

Mary Lou McDonald got a positive result back.

Covid-1916

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

She was tested on March 28th, a bad delay.

Even the virus was shy to come out as Shinner




ok, that's all I got on this

 

[7 - No tomorrow]

Wait

Mary-Flu

Ok, that's definitely it

 

[ann post]

Mary Lou McDonald got a positive result back. She was tested on March 28th, a bad delay. Hope she's recovering ok, should be well on the mend by now.

Kinda think FFg were doing their best to stick a govt together before she made a recovery annoucnment.

 

[ann post]

Mary Lou McDonald got a positive result back. She was tested on March 28th, a bad delay. Hope she's recovering ok, should be well on the mend by now.

Oh and I robbed this from a tweet but its a fair point:

"Took 17 days for Mary Lou McDonald to get a test result. Tubridy, Ciara Kelly and Claire Byrne got their results much quicker."