Climate change global warming natural disaster freak weather etc. (3 Viewers)

[magicbastarder]

I've been looking into solar panel prices and they are MENTAL

PV? what sort of money? we've got a pitched roof facing south so probably close to ideal so i have wondered about it.

 

[pete]

PV? what sort of money? we've got a pitched roof facing south so probably close to ideal so i have wondered about it.

What does an Electric Ireland Solar PV installation cost?

• Prices start from €5,200 (inc. VAT). Interest free payment plan for qualifying Electric Ireland customers. Deposit of €1040 plus 36 monthly payments of €116.00.

 

[pete]

Do you want to be able to STORE any of that lovely ehhh "free" electricity?


How much does the Sonnen battery cost?
The Sonnen smart batteries start at €6,700 (inc. VAT) and are eligible for a grant of €600.

and that's for the smallest 5kWh one

 

[pete]

but then there's these lads

Best Solar Panel Company In Ireland | Solar Panel, Pv Ireland

Best Solar Panel Company in Ireland. Are you finding the best solar panel companies in Ireland? Get a Solar Panel, PV System Ireland at zero installation cost.

mysolar.ie

 

[magicbastarder]

hmm. we spend the guts of a grand on electricity a year, and their guesstimate is that we'd save €300 a year on electricity. so that's a fifteen year payback time, probably.
more if you add battery storage - but they don't seem to say how much that adds to the cost.

 

[pete]

according to mysolar if i spend 20 quid a month with them i can save €674 a year, or in other words €434. to be honest it's not an entirely convincing proposition.

 

[pete]

this might be a better solution

Astronomical Engineering: A Strategy For Modifying Planetary Orbits

The Sun's gradual brightening will seriously compromise the Earth's biosphere within ~ 10^9 years. If Earth's orbit migrates outward, however, the biosphere could remain intact over the entire main-sequence lifetime of the Sun. In this paper, we explore the feasibility of engineering such a...

ui.adsabs.harvard.edu

 

[Cormcolash]

Only 10^9 years????? WE'RE FUCKED!!!!

 

[Cormcolash]

I'm gonna keep posting that now for the next (10ˆ9)-1 years

 

[ann post]

I'm gonna keep posting that now for the next (10ˆ9)-1 years

Set it up as as scheduled post so it keeps posting after that time has elapsed.


REading the above - and I'd the same experience - loads of the greening stuff you can do to your house or get 'grants' is aimed squarely at people who have money to burn. Anyone mid mortgage, looking at an education for the kids or whatever can't be fucking money at stuff for kudos.

 

[magicbastarder]

it's not even payback time, it's the encapsulated carbon in what you're buying; cf. my parents-in-law's solar panels. they're well able to afford it, but i doubt they've offset any carbon since getting it in, it was performative rather than environmental.

 

[Lili Marlene]

Solar panels will break after a decade. My dads broke after 5 years I think, literally weeks after the repair warranty on them expired. He rang up and gave out enough for them to fix it for free to make him go away.

 

[Lili Marlene]

Very good James Meek piece on wind power in the LRB recently. You might say that simply greening capitalism isn't going to do it.

James Meek · Who holds the welding rod? Our Turbine Futures

It shouldn’t be more important that the North Sea wind farms get built than that some of their towers are made by low-...

www.lrb.co.uk

(loooong)

 

[ernesto]

my father in law is a case in point, he got solar panels (water) installed several years ago as a keeping up with the joneses effort. but they're a waste of time, their shower is electric. they don't actually *use* the hot wateer generated so are actually worse for the environment.

i plan to get enough of these to use for central heating so I won't have to rely on kerosene.
At that point I'll be removing the electric showers

 

[ernesto]

I've been looking into solar panel prices and they are MENTAL

DIY

 

[Lili Marlene]

lol, Spiked Online's reaction to the ISPCC report is as expected. No I won't be linking but in summary, it's all a middle class plot by the Guardian to stop the "wealth creators" who just want poor people to be rich.

 

[pete]

DIY

Yeah, no. I’m reasonably competent at stuff like putting in smart light switches and replacing light fittings (haven’t killed myself yet anyway) but no way am I touching anything bigger than that.

 

[magicbastarder]

lol, Spiked Online's reaction to the ISPCC report is as expected. No I won't be linking but in summary, it's all a middle class plot by the Guardian to stop the "wealth creators" who just want poor people to be rich.

climate change is child abuse.

 

[ernesto]

Yeah, no. I’m reasonably competent at stuff like putting in smart light switches and replacing light fittings (haven’t killed myself yet anyway) but no way am I touching anything bigger than that.

you don't have to connect it all in;
You could fit everything and run the cables and then let a pro terminate. Save yourself the Labour costs?

 

[pete]

you don't have to connect it all in;
You could fit everything and run the cables and then let a pro terminate. Save yourself the Labour costs?

That would involve getting up on the roof. Did I mention how lazy I am?